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Once all of the characters are gone, can eliminators then target sargeants, or even, specific models? I know the rule only says characters but im still curious about your thoughts on 5his.

Thanks in advance

 Solid_jr wrote:
Once all of the characters are gone, can eliminators then target sargeants, or even, specific models? I know the rule only says characters but im still curious about your thoughts on 5his.

Thanks in advance

Eliminators can ignore the "Look Out Sir" rule, which enables them to target Character units despite the usual restrictions on that. They have no other permissions, so they cannot target specific models in a unit. The rules for Making Attacks on page 220 of the MRB specify that it is the player commanding the target unit that allocates attacks to models in the target unit.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 Solid_jr wrote:
Once all of the characters are gone, can eliminators then target sargeants, or even, specific models? I know the rule only says characters but im still curious about your thoughts on 5his.

Thanks in advance

Eliminators can ignore the "Look Out Sir" rule, which enables them to target Character units despite the usual restrictions on that. They have no other permissions, so they cannot target specific models in a unit. The rules for Making Attacks on page 220 of the MRB specify that it is the player commanding the target unit that allocates attacks to models in the target unit.

Yup! This is my understanding as well.

Sorry, that isn't how it works at all. I think Death Jesters are the only models who can potentially remove specific models from a squad, but even then it doesn't work quite how you describe.

Just out of curiosity, what about Character Sgts? Like the Catachan SGT female that was released. She is named and has a special weapons loadout. Does she just count as a regular sgt? I mean she's not packing 6 wounds or a special ability, but she does have a name. What counts as a character?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what about Character Sgts? Like the Catachan SGT female that was released. She is named and has a special weapons loadout. Does she just count as a regular sgt? I mean she's not packing 6 wounds or a special ability, but she does have a name. What counts as a character?

Characters have the character keyword. If it doesn’t have the keyword, it isn’t a character.

Sgt Harker, for instance, is a unit that has the Character keyword. The Eliminators could target him.

They couldn't target "Sgt Bloggins" from within a squad of Cadians, on the other hand, as he does not have the Character keyword.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what about Character Sgts? Like the Catachan SGT female that was released. She is named and has a special weapons loadout. Does she just count as a regular sgt? I mean she's not packing 6 wounds or a special ability, but she does have a name. What counts as a character?

If she has her own profile, she probably has the Character keyword and can be targeted. If she's just a cool replacement for a generic Sgt, then no.

 Bilge Rat wrote:
Sorry, that isn't how it works at all. I think Death Jesters are the only models who can potentially remove specific models from a squad, but even then it doesn't work quite how you describe.

I do belive there are some weard ruled effects that allow you to 'target' spesific models. This often include drawing imaginary 1mm thick lines and attacking every one that line touches. And some psykick powers can target spesific models. (GSC has a mind war I belive but I do not remember.) These things are often rare and not very cost effective.

With Mental Onslaught the targeted player still gets to choose which model from the unit gets removed.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
With Mental Onslaught the targeted player still gets to choose which model from the unit gets removed.

Yes. While it doesn't make a ton of sense, each mortal wound is allocated via normal rules. However, it is still somewhat useful for targeting specific models as the ability will continue as long as none of the stop conditions are met. This means that if you want to get rid of the Special or Heavy weapon in a unit that has low Leadership, it may actually be to the unit controller's advantage to just kill off the model you are targeting. If they choose to keep allocating the wounds to other models, the power could potentially continue until the entire unit is destroyed.


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That is also why it's recommended that every list include a unit that can deny psychic powers.

It's also why I personally like to include an Inquisitor in my IG lists, as their Unquestioned Wisdom aura lets the units within it use the Inquisitor's Leadership of 9. (10 if you give them the Formidable Resolve WT that also doubles the aura range to 12". Very handy in a Guardsmen mob trying to hold the mid objectives.)

Thanks all. I'm still reading through the various books. I haven't committed all of the nuances to memory yet. Slowly but surely.

 SergentSilver wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what about Character Sgts? Like the Catachan SGT female that was released. She is named and has a special weapons loadout. Does she just count as a regular sgt? I mean she's not packing 6 wounds or a special ability, but she does have a name. What counts as a character?

If she has her own profile, she probably has the Character keyword and can be targeted. If she's just a cool replacement for a generic Sgt, then no.

She doesn’t have her own profile. The datasheet in the instruction booklet says “Sergeant “Ripper” Jackson can be used to represent a Veteran Sergeant in one CATACHAN Veterans unit, armed with a boltgun, chainsword and frag grenades. The datasheet below contains the essential rules to field this model on the battlefield - for full rules for this unit, see Codex: Astra Militarum.

It’s titled “Veterans”, but only includes the information specific to a Veteran Sergeant with boltgun, chainsword and frag grenades with the CATACHAN faction keyword, not the full Veterans data sheet.

So no, despite being a named model, she’s not a Character. The same goes for Sergeant Jovan, Sister Superior Amalia Novena and Sister Tariana Palos. Gorzag Gitstompa and Nikkit has one of those cut-down stat blocks with symbols so they don’t need to print it in loads of languages, and doesn’t list any keywords at all.