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Have to ask as I feel I've never been great with this phase, and I don't play a ton but want to get better. Here's the scenario and my question:

1. Units A and B charge Impulsor
2. Unit A piles in, attacks and destroy's the Impulsor, then consolidates towards the disembarked unit
3. Enemy unit has to emergency disembark due to how it was wrapped
4. My Unit B is now about 3.5 inches from the disembarked unit

Question: Can my unit B then pile into the disembarked unit (pretty sure it can) in order to get into engagement rage? And since unit B didn't get to fight, can it then fight the unit that disembarked, if the pile-in gets it within 1"?

Under the Select Targets portion of the Fight Phase, a charging unit can only select units it charged to attack.

As unit B conducted a charge against the Impulsor, unit B can only attack the Impulsor. Unit B's Pile In move is up to 3" and each model in Unit B moves towards closest enemy model. If disembarked unit is closest, that is where Unit B could Pile In towards.

 Sarigar wrote:
Under the Select Targets portion of the Fight Phase, a charging unit can only select units it charged to attack.

As unit B conducted a charge against the Impulsor, unit B can only attack the Impulsor. Unit B's Pile In move is up to 3" and each model in Unit B moves towards closest enemy model. If disembarked unit is closest, that is where Unit B could Pile In towards.

Makes perfect sense. I thought I might be complicating things. So next question, if unit B piles into the unit that disembarked, does the unit that disembarked get to fight unit B that piled into them? Wondering as Unit B is some bladeguard veterans. It's a tricky one as unit B is actually a Custodes Shield Captain on bike that might get lit up in the next shooting phase if he doesn't pile in.

If the attacker piles in on you then yes, you get to smash their faces. If he doesn't, even if he is within 3" of you, you can't pile in on him since you neither charged or are withing engagement range.

Spoletta wrote:
If the attacker piles in on you then yes, you get to smash their faces. If he doesn't, even if he is within 3" of you, you can't pile in on him since you neither charged or are within engagement range.

But in my case, the unit I charged is gone, and there are just the disembarked bladeguard veteransremaining. So, I'd think I can't pile into them since I didn't charge them to begin with and am not in engagement range. My question is if I can consolidate into the them though.

Your unit B charged, so they must fight. You can pile in to the closest enemy model, you cant attack it (because you didnt charge it, but it can attack you if you are within engagement range), and you can consolidate towards the closest enemy model.

SPE825 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
If the attacker piles in on you then yes, you get to smash their faces. If he doesn't, even if he is within 3" of you, you can't pile in on him since you neither charged or are within engagement range.

But in my case, the unit I charged is gone, and there are just the disembarked bladeguard veteransremaining. So, I'd think I can't pile into them since I didn't charge them to begin with and am not in engagement range. My question is if I can consolidate into the them though.

Pile-In and Consolidation moves don't care you you charged. You must only finish any such move closer to the nearest enemy model.

However, if you Pile In to Engagement Range of a unit that you didn't not charge on a turn you charged, you cannot attack that unit. It will then be eligible to fight, allowing it to attack you.

 alextroy wrote:

SPE825 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
If the attacker piles in on you then yes, you get to smash their faces. If he doesn't, even if he is within 3" of you, you can't pile in on him since you neither charged or are within engagement range.

But in my case, the unit I charged is gone, and there are just the disembarked bladeguard veteransremaining. So, I'd think I can't pile into them since I didn't charge them to begin with and am not in engagement range. My question is if I can consolidate into the them though.

Pile-In and Consolidation moves don't care you you charged. You must only finish any such move closer to the nearest enemy model.

However, if you Pile In to Engagement Range of a unit that you didn't not charge on a turn you charged, you cannot attack that unit. It will then be eligible to fight, allowing it to attack you.

Yes, if you charge a unit and under any circumstances Pile-In and/or Consolidate into Engagement Range of any other enemy unit, you cannot attack that unit as it is not the unit you declared a charge against, but it is now eligible to attack your unit.


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On a cute side note, if you manage to make your units completely surround the Impulsor before destroying it, the enemy unit is unable to disembark the Transport and is destroyed.

 SergentSilver wrote:

On a cute side note, if you manage to make your units completely surround the Impulsor before destroying it, the enemy unit is unable to disembark the Transport and is destroyed.

Normally yes, but bear in mind the core rules contain the Emergency Disembarkation stratagem, which allows them to set up 6" away instead of 3", at the cost of a CP and losing models on a 1 or 2 instead of just on a 1. So usually they'll use that to escape.

Arson Fire wrote:

 SergentSilver wrote:

On a cute side note, if you manage to make your units completely surround the Impulsor before destroying it, the enemy unit is unable to disembark the Transport and is destroyed.

Normally yes, but bear in mind the core rules contain the Emergency Disembarkation stratagem, which allows them to set up 6" away instead of 3", at the cost of a CP and losing models on a 1 or 2 instead of just on a 1. So usually they'll use that to escape.

True, if they remember that. I know I forgot about it.


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Even then, they might still lose some models depending on number and base size as the rules state the unit must be wholly within that range, so they can't place the first model at the edge and just string it out. For instance, you get a 20-warrior cron blob surrounding a transport and even that extra 3" space likely won't save them. Definitely not if it's 2 of them. Of course, if you manage to get your Transport surrounded with a unit still inside, you're probably doing something wrong anyway.