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Made in us
Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine




Iowa

My dad and I are returning to 30k after a few years off. For the most part it’s just him and me that are playing. There are a few others that play, but we don’t meet up with them much anymore. With that in mind and due to the to cost of this game we are looking at playing casual and fluffy. My father is playing World Eaters and I’m playing Dark Angels. I have created my list based on the rite of war Steel Fist (will post my list below) and my dad is not sure how to deal with all the armor I will be bringing (he is very much a casual player). I don’t know much about how the World Eaters play nor how to best help as I have been out of the game for awhile myself mainly playing Warmachine/Hordes. I tried to create my list based on what I thought was cool and fun not looking for anything very competitive and have already bought most of my list.

I have looked at somethings to help my dad with the armor like predators and other anti tank weapons, but not sure what would stay fluffy with the World Eaters. I know Kharn was put in a Spartan with 20 chain wielding legionaries, but unsure how well that will do against tanks. So before I give him advice on what to buy I would like to hear what the community has to say. My dad does have Angron and 10 Red Butchers as well as a Dreadclaw I believe and a Spartan I think.

++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,497pts] ++

+ HQ [157pts] +

Praetor, Legion [157pts]: Master of the Legion (See rule for MotL & Command Squads rule), On Foot, Terranic Greatsword [15pts], Volkite Charger [7pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour [35pts]: Terminator Armour [35pts]

+ Elites [525pts] +

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [165pts]: Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Autocannon x 2 [10pts]

Dreadwing Interemptor Squad [360pts]: Chainswords/Combat Blades, Dreadwing, Frag and Krak Grenades, Interemptor Praefectus, 4x Interemptors [120pts], Legiones Astartes, Plasma Burners, Plasma Incinerator [15pts], Rad Grenades
. Land Raider Proteus [185pts]: Dozer Blade [5pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

+ Troops [1,000pts] +

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion (Compulsory) [340pts]: Steel Fist: Troops only when taken as Compulsory Choices
. Predator Tank, Legion [170pts]: Executioner Plasma Destroyer [55pts], Lascannon Sponsons [40pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers
. Predator Tank, Legion [170pts]: Executioner Plasma Destroyer [55pts], Lascannon Sponsons [40pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion (Compulsory) [340pts]: Steel Fist: Troops only when taken as Compulsory Choices
. Predator Tank, Legion [170pts]: Executioner Plasma Destroyer [55pts], Lascannon Sponsons [40pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers
. Predator Tank, Legion [170pts]: Executioner Plasma Destroyer [55pts], Lascannon Sponsons [40pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [160pts]: Additional Wargear, Bolters, Legiones Astartes, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion [90pts]
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion [35pts]: Twin-linked Bolter
. Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [160pts]: Additional Wargear, Bolters, Legiones Astartes, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion [90pts]
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion [35pts]: Twin-linked Bolter
. Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter

+ Heavy Support [205pts] +

Land Raider Battle Squadron, Legion [205pts]
. Land Raider Proteus [205pts]: Dozer Blade [5pts], Extra Armour [5pts], Multi-melta [15pts], Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: I: Dark Angels, Loyalist

Rite of War: The Steel Fist

+ Lords of War [610pts] +

Lion El'Jonson [610pts]: Master of the Legion (See rule for MotL & Command Squads rule), Stasis Grenades, The Fusil Actinaeus, The Wolf Blade
. Deathwing Companions Detachment [150pts]: Bolt Pistol, 5x Bolter, Deathwing, 4x Deathwing Companion [120pts], Legiones Astartes, On Foot, 5x Terranic Greatsword
. . Deathwing Oathbearer [30pts]: Refractor Field
. Primarch: Warlord

+ Use Playtest Rules +

Use Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 (From FAQ 1.1 Feb/2019): Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 On

+ Warlord Traits +

Warlord Traits

++ Total: [2,497pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

I have created my list with BattleScribe, but has refused to update since this February. If anyone spots anything off please let me know.




 
   
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter







The idea that "World Eaters" must mean "unsupported aggro chainaxe mob" is gross flanderization; there's no reason you can't field any armour/heavy ranged weapons you want as World Eaters.

That said the plasma-spam is pretty hellish to deal with for a casual player; this is the kind of list I'd feel comfortable fielding Legio Cybernetica or Guard of the Crimson King against. If you're just getting back into the game you may want to tone it down some.

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For 2.5k points, this is a hard-as-nails list, something I'd expect from Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, or Iron Warriors. The amount of AT and high-strength low-ap weapons in that list is pretty high. Even with 3 units of AT Iron Havocs, I'd struggle against this list. I think especially if you're playing against a casual player you should tone it down and maybe start at lower point games. I get wanting to field huge armies of Marines led by Primarchs but if you're just back into the game there will be loads of rules you'll need to remember with loads of units/unique units/characters.
   
Made in us
Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine




Iowa

Thanks for letting me know to tone it down. Had being playing warmachine very competitively lately so must have went with what sounded the best without thinking about it. So I toned down the predators and added an extra dreadnought without giving it any serious firepower. Will work on a 1,000pt list to start with, but wanted to get your thoughts on this new list for more casual play.


++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,497pts] ++

+ HQ +

Praetor, Legion [157pts]: On Foot, Terranic Greatsword, Volkite Charger
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour

+ Elites +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185pts]
. Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Extra Armour, Molecular Acid Shells, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. . Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon: Twin-linked Bolter

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [170pts]: Extra Armour, Twin-linked Autocannon x 2

Dreadwing Interemptor Squad [380pts]: Dreadwing, 4x Interemptors, Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Rad Missiles & Status Missiles
. Land Raider Proteus: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

+ Troops +

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion (Compulsory) [210pts]: Steel Fist: Troops only when taken as Compulsory Choices
. Predator Tank, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Predator Cannon
. Predator Tank, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Predator Cannon

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion (Compulsory) [210pts]: Steel Fist: Troops only when taken as Compulsory Choices
. Predator Tank, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Predator Cannon
. Predator Tank, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Predator Cannon

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [180pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [180pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Heavy Support +

Land Raider Battle Squadron, Legion [205pts]
. Land Raider Proteus: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: I: Dark Angels, Loyalist

Rite of War: The Steel Fist

+ Lords of War +

Lion El'Jonson [620pts]: The Wolf Blade
. Deathwing Companions Detachment: 4x Bolter, Cytheron pattern aegis, Deathwing, 4x Deathwing Companion, Deathwing Oathbearer, On Foot, 5x Terranic Greatsword
. Primarch: Warlord

+ Use Playtest Rules +

Use Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 (From FAQ 1.1 Feb/2019): Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 On

+ Warlord Traits +

Warlord Traits

++ Total: [2,497pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe




 
   
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot





The issue your opponent is going to run into is going to be the same. How can they kill that much AV13 AND a Primarch with dedicated bodyguard.
All you've done it tone down the damage output you have here, your survivability hasn't changed.

It might help if we knew what tools the WE player had, because at the moment even this toned down list is very much likely to squish anyone with a more casual collection because the real issue is the 2 Land Raiders / Primarch, 4 AV13 tanks, 2 Contemptors and a couple of rhinos

 
   
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster





^ Seconded.
   
Made in us
Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine




Iowa

OK that makes sense. We'll I'm not sure yet as to what my dad is bringing to the table as he is still working that out. In the mean time I did make a 1,000pt starter list. Hopefully this works better for starting out. I didn't take a rite of war with this list nor took anything heavier than a predator.


++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [997pts] ++

+ HQ +

Centurion [107pts]: On Foot, Terranic Greatsword, Volkite Charger, Warlord
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul: Centurion, Legion

+ Elites +

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [165pts]: Twin-linked Autocannon x 2

Dreadwing Interemptor Squad [175pts]: Dreadwing, 4x Interemptors, Plasma Incinerator

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [160pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [160pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion [115pts]
. Predator Tank, Legion: Lascannon Sponsons, Predator Cannon

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion [115pts]
. Predator Tank, Legion: Lascannon Sponsons, Predator Cannon

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: I: Dark Angels, Loyalist

Rite of War

+ Use Playtest Rules +

Use Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 (From FAQ 1.1 Feb/2019): Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 On

+ Warlord Traits +

Warlord Traits: 2. Master Tactician

++ Total: [997pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe




 
   
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Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna





Atlanta, GA

I think that as returning players, especially with your dad being a casual player, you should both start out with 1,000 point Zone Mortalis lists or alternately, 1,500 point Centurion lists. Centurion is a mode of play started by the Eye of Horus podcast guys that emphasis troops over armor, the rules are easily available via a quick Google search.

Even in your 1K list you still have 2 Predators and a Contemptor, which may be hard for an opponent to deal with unless they bring a decent amount of anti-tank. Have you considered taking more troops choices? IMO one of the things that makes 30k great is the ability to take 20-man tactical squads.
   
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^ Seconded.
I wish Centurion had been more prevalent when my group started 30k, definitely would've prevented some of the more heavy-handed lists that went about. When you have 8 people and 6 are basically only playing with the Calth box and the other 2 have Spartans, Primarchs, and Quad Mortars, it gets old really fast.
   
Made in us
Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna





Atlanta, GA

 Gert wrote:
^ Seconded.
I wish Centurion had been more prevalent when my group started 30k, definitely would've prevented some of the more heavy-handed lists that went about. When you have 8 people and 6 are basically only playing with the Calth box and the other 2 have Spartans, Primarchs, and Quad Mortars, it gets old really fast.


I'm the guy with the Calth box in this scenario. Big games are great, but especially in 30k it can get very tiring to be the one playing lots of infantry and a couple of Sicarans vs the other player with Primarch death stars and Spartans. As always, communication is key.
   
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster





The one good thing was that everyone banded together for Forge World orders and swapped bits that others needed. For the brief period before Gathering Storm dropped I think it was the most cooperative our group got.
   
Made in us
Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine




Iowa

I made my dad a list he likes and one that should handle the tank and plasma spam in my first list that I posted. We still intend to start at 1,000pts to get back into the game.


++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,500pts] ++

+ HQ +

Kharn the Bloody [170pts]: Plasma Pistol

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [45pts]
. Apothecary, Legion: Exhortation of Butchery, None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

Apothecarion Detachment [45pts]
. Apothecary, Legion: Exhortation of Butchery, None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

Red Butchers, The [605pts]: 4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Dozer Blade, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. The Devoured: 2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Chainsword, Combat Blade or Chainaxe, 18x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Chainaxe

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Chainsword, Combat Blade or Chainaxe, 18x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Chainaxe

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [160pts]: Chainsword, Combat Blade or Chainaxe, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Chainsword/Combat Blade

+ Heavy Support +

Predator Strike Armoured Squadron, Legion [340pts]
. Predator Tank, Legion: Executioner Plasma Destroyer, Lascannon Sponsons
. Predator Tank, Legion: Executioner Plasma Destroyer, Lascannon Sponsons

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer Squadron [190pts]
. Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer: Pintle-mounted Heavy Bolter

Whirlwind Scorpius, Legion [115pts]

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: Army of Dark Compliance, Traitor
. XII: World Eaters: Bloodlust

Rite of War: The Crimson Path

+ Lords of War +

Angron, The Primarch [400pts]
. Primarch: Warlord

+ Use Playtest Rules +

Use Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 (From FAQ 1.1 Feb/2019): Playtest Rules Errata 1.0 On

+ Warlord Traits +

Warlord Traits

++ Total: [2,500pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe




 
   
Made in gb
Jealous that Horus is Warmaster





His infantry are going to get butchered the moment you get a turn of shooting. 40 tacticals charging up a board is a recipe for slaughter and the armour he has will just be forced to fight yours so it doesn't die. Unless you have an insane amount of line of sight blocking terrain, his list is woefully outgunned, and only if he gets into combat will he stand a chance but even then it will not be easy.
I would recommend getting the 30k Red Books before you start anything and use those to build a list rather than Battlescribe. It has loads of options that get checked for no reason and sometimes wastes a good amount of points on nothing.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/04/13 23:03:30


 
   
Made in us
Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine




Iowa

The Crimson Path gives his infantry a feel no pain of 6+, but if he takes the Apothecary then they get a 5+ which then in turn is increased to a 4+ by the Rite of War. Unless I missed something which is very possible. This plus with cover (not actually needing line of sight blocked) gives him 2 saves against my tanks. A cover save and a feel no pain of 4+. The chain axes are a strength +1 making the marines a strength 5 giving them the ability to glance the tanks to death. Plasma is only a strength 7 not 8 so it isn't double the toughness of the marines therefore they get their feel no pain. That should give his infantry a good amount of survivability as I see it. If there is something I'm missing then let me know. Just wanted to put out my reasoning for the infantry mobs that's all.




 
   
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Here is an armor-heavy list that can be taken by any Legion:

Armored Breakthrough Rite of War 2505pts
HQ
(Comp) Master Of Armor Company Command Predator Destructor (Master of the Legion) w/ LC sponsons, Pintle-Hvy Bolter, Extra Armor, Machine Spirit, Aux Drive - 165pts
Command Squad - 75pts
Rhino w/ Pintle Hvy Bolter, Extra Armor, Aux Drive - 60pts
Master Of Signal (Warlord) w/Cognis Signum, Vox, Artificier Armor, Refractor Field, Volkite Charger - 125pts


Troops
(Comp) Predator Squadron #1 w/ 3x Predator Destructors each w/ LC Sponsons, Pintle Hvy-bolter, Extra Armor, Aux Drive, Machine Spirit. 1x Squadron Command tank - 530pts
(Comp) Predator Squadron #2 w/ 3x Predator Destructors each w/ LC Sponsons, Pintle Hvy-bolter, Extra Armor, Aux Drive, Machine Spirit. 1x Squadron Command tank - 530pts

Heavy Support
Vindicator Squadron w/ 3x Laser Vindicators each w/ Laser Destroyer, Pintle Hvy-Bolter, Extra Armor, Aux Drive, Machine Spirit. 1x Squadron Command tank - 560pts
Sicaran Punisher Squadron w/ 2x Sicaran Punishers, each w/ Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Pintle Heavy Bolter, Aux Drive - 460pts

Option: Break up Predator squadrons into 3 squadrons of 2 each or 6 individual tanks. Either way, drop both Sqdn Cmd Tank upgrades, replace w/ Javelin Attack Speeder w/ 2x H-K Missiles - total 2500pts

All Rhinos, Predators, and Vindicators become Fast due to Armored Breakthrough RoW
   
 
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