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Not quite Boyz, not quite nobz, but better than a boy.
I'm personally upset about this. Why not just release a redesign? Why for all intents an purposes design a Slugga Boy +1.
We have Nobz for that? We have Skarboyz for that?

Argh.
   
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Skarboyz and 'Ard Boyz have been a thing for ages in various iterations of the ork codex. Given that they're going for 40k Savage Orks (which is great, IMO, the diversity in different type of Ork forces in the lore absolutely blows the feth out of the done to death astartes and it's about time the tabletop start to reflect that) it makes sense to make them a new unit if they don't want to retire the boyz kit.

And would anyone actually want to HAVE to field their ork boyz with animal skins and savage ork snakebite style stuff?

I have no doubt they'll be basically Skarboyz, with some lower-tech special weaponry. Jesus, the stuff people will whine about...

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

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Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.

We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss

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Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:
Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.

We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss


Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

-the_scotsman"

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 the_scotsman wrote:
Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:
Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.

We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss


Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.


Bet. We'll be losing the Skarboyz stratagem for this.
For all intents and purposes the model seen in the article is a slugga boy +1.
   
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On the other hand, if that makes skar boyz not klan locked any more then i'd call it a win. That is of course assuming the Beast Snagga units are just normal units with a keyword akin to Speedfreaks or Flyboyz and interact with Klan rules normally.
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:
Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.

We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss


Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.

I think the proof in the pudding here is going to be the keywords. If they stick "Beast snaggas" into the keywords, and that precludes interaction from "non" beast snaggas, then even if they would fit the Skarboy archetype they might be too hard to include.

Of course, the Speed Freak keyword doesn't cause any problems with list building, so most likely including these not-scarboys will be non-intrusive.

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Man, people talkin' about the rules...

This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad!

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I'm a bit split on this but it might be a nice way for GW to introduce stat creep for Orks without making it overbearing. What do I mean by this? Regular boys don't hit hard enough against elite targets and some people were already speculating -1 AP for choppas. I'll be honest, getting 30 boys into strike range is hard but i don't think anyone was really waiting for 120 S4 AP-1 attacks. This could be a way to introduce somewhat harder hitting boys (S5, AP-1?) but with less attacks.
Not a fan of the look myself though, they look to AoS-ey for me but that might just be personal taste.
   
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It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.

They run across a Primaris, it's only a matter of time before they start bulking out some Boyz. It's only a matter of time till they get some Primarch Orks out there again.

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IMO, Orks are the right thing to keep adding new things to.

And, maybe I’m in a minority, but I really like the look of these dudes so far. People saying these look too much like Sigmar, Orcs in Warhammer have looked the same as 40K in the past. They updated them in Sigmar but haven’t in 40K. So this is them updating them in the same style.
   
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 Charistoph wrote:
It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.
You sure you aren't describing the way Tyranids react to new threats?

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Orks are the only utopians in 40k, it'd be fun if they played that up more. Not that there's any indication of that from this, just hoping.

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 posermcbogus wrote:
Man, people talkin' about the rules...

This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad!
GW has shown in multiple recent kits that they are capable of providing a number of arms, heads, and accessories to keep your monopose models from looking like 10 different models over and over again.
   
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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Doubt you're going to find anyone willing to be on the other side of that bet.
   
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You know as the only Snakebite player out there apparently I am super happy about these new Ork releases. The squig riders next to my Gargantuan Squiggoth and regular Squiggoths full of these new boyz is just so exciting. I did a lot of work using savage orks converted into 40k choppa boyz but it doesn't matter because these will mix in just perfectly.

Yeah, it is a bit of a Primaris Ork type deal but it has character beyond what a normal boy, Primaris Marines are just marines but better.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
Man, people talkin' about the rules...

This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad!
GW has shown in multiple recent kits that they are capable of providing a number of arms, heads, and accessories to keep your monopose models from looking like 10 different models over and over again.


That's very, very subjective.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can't wait for the "Tranzork Fizzyologee" stratagem.
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Intriguing.

I had a hunch we might see 2W Ork troops during 9th Edition. Makes sense to me.

I wonder how well the torsos will be kitbashable with existing arms & heads.. Plenty of folks upscaling their firstborn marine armies with interecessor torsos, you could potentially do the same with these?

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.

You sure you aren't describing the way Tyranids react to new threats?

Yes, I'm sure. Where Tyranids see a new tech or new strategy they make a new bug to counter it. Orks just see the tech they're facing and pull out their own version of it to face it.

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Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha
   
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bat702 wrote:
Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha


Knowing GW, they would probably "manifest" as $160 definitely-not-a-Daemon Prince-copy models with little to no practical use in most 2000pt and under games due to high points cost and LoW slot usage.
   
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 Eonfuzz wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:
Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.

We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss


Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.


Bet. We'll be losing the Skarboyz stratagem for this.


You say that like that's a bad thing.
Oh boo-hoo, the loss of a piece of cardboard in favor of actual models. IMO the game would vastly improve if 90%+ of strats could vanish.
   
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I think it's the best we could hope for. I was actually afraid they'd replace the current Ork boyz kit and kill all possibilities of kitbashing between the Orks. An addition of a different boy that's a Skarboy or a strong feral ork (aka something that's always been in the fluff)? No problem there. And if they're stronger than old boyz, no problem, too. You still have the usual boyz for your horde or these guys for a more elite feel.
   
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 SergentSilver wrote:
bat702 wrote:
Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha


Knowing GW, they would probably "manifest" as $160 definitely-not-a-Daemon Prince-copy models with little to no practical use in most 2000pt and under games due to high points cost and LoW slot usage.


Would be pretty sweet maybe if the orks build like a Gorka/Morkanaught that can then come to life by a weirdboy blessing it with a psychic power, that then makes it more powerful for a turn or two, Also would be interested to see an actual model similar to the Avatar of Kayne the Eldar have.
   
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Hmm... Reading the article would it be so unsurprising if Nob's went to W3, MANZ W4 (no invuln native still I bet) and these new boyz to W2?

I'm hyped as someone doing a deffskull savage army (My tattoos can head butt las cannons and win!) and more options will be amazing! Judging from the picture these Orkz will be on 32mm I bet.
   
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32mm for sure. They reboxed normal Boyz and Nobz and such with 32mm bases already so these dude-bros will definitely get the same.
   
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I'd rather have had a separate kit for ard' boys with extra armour then this, but then again since my orks mostly languish nowadays in an unused state since about 3 editions i feel like i kinda don't have a horse in this race beyond old grognarding.

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