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Yeah it’s interesting how they’re handling the maniples. You’d think that they would open maniples up to scales instead of particular Titan types, but so far they seem committed to the type-specific approach.

Although having the actual rules and not summaries from YouTubers means you can find out that, for instance, Wolves Among Prey references ‘Titans’ and not Warhounds. So the door is open to squadroning with Rapiers from Rapier-containing maniples even if the Canis and Lupercal maniples remain WHs only.

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Isn’t Audax the ‘nothing bigger than scale 6’ Legio? Seems like a pretty important part of their rules…

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SamusDrake wrote:

I didn't realise that Audax got a strength increase along with the reinforced plating...interesting.

In another way I'm a bit disappointed that Shadow & Iron hasn't introduced the maniple - or was it a legio? - where we can take scout titans, and not necessarily the Hound. It was mentioned waaaay back.


Is that not Audax? There just isn’t any other scout titans out yet.
   
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Having seen an unboxing, my question about the weapons cards for the Warbringer have been answered, and it does come with what I thought. Two cards for the carapace weapon (Quake and Belicosa Volcano cannons) and one arm weapon card, though as the arm weapon cards are the Reaver weapons then there are cards available already (the Warbringer card even still calls the arm weapon a Reaver arm weapon).

However, one follow on from that is it suggests to me that they aren't planning a second plastic kit for the Warbringer with the Volcano cannon, otherwise it would have seemed to make more sense to ship this one with the 3 cards for the weapons it actually has and then have 3 different cards in the second version that also match the supplied weapons. So seems the carapace volcano cannon will be resin.
   
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Tavis75 wrote:
Having seen an unboxing, my question about the weapons cards for the Warbringer have been answered, and it does come with what I thought. Two cards for the carapace weapon (Quake and Belicosa Volcano cannons) and one arm weapon card, though as the arm weapon cards are the Reaver weapons then there are cards available already (the Warbringer card even still calls the arm weapon a Reaver arm weapon).

However, one follow on from that is it suggests to me that they aren't planning a second plastic kit for the Warbringer with the Volcano cannon, otherwise it would have seemed to make more sense to ship this one with the 3 cards for the weapons it actually has and then have 3 different cards in the second version that also match the supplied weapons. So seems the carapace volcano cannon will be resin.

I'd take it that they might be planning to release the volcano sprue on its own as well as a boxed Warbringer 2, just like they did with the alternate Warlord and Reavers.

That way, those of us who bought Warbringer 1 + upgrade sprue would still have all the cards we need for every combination, without having to buy a Warbringer 2. I'd guess that Warbingers wouldn't merit their own card pack, since the volcano/quake cannon are the only unique weapons they have.

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I could see them releasing a second warbringer sprue with Carapace Volcano Cannon and Arm meltacannon and gatling blaster + alt heads and armour plates.
   
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 zedmeister wrote:
I could see them releasing a second warbringer sprue with Carapace Volcano Cannon and Arm meltacannon and gatling blaster + alt heads and armour plates.


I was hoping that, but unlike the Reaver & Warlord the Warbringer head is on the same sprue as the main body rather than the weapons.

Nothing to stop them including a 2nd head on a new weapon sprue of course, but still a little worrying.
   
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Or the volcano cannon is resin.

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Tavis75 wrote:
Having seen an unboxing, my question about the weapons cards for the Warbringer have been answered, and it does come with what I thought. Two cards for the carapace weapon (Quake and Belicosa Volcano cannons) and one arm weapon card, though as the arm weapon cards are the Reaver weapons then there are cards available already (the Warbringer card even still calls the arm weapon a Reaver arm weapon).

However, one follow on from that is it suggests to me that they aren't planning a second plastic kit for the Warbringer with the Volcano cannon, otherwise it would have seemed to make more sense to ship this one with the 3 cards for the weapons it actually has and then have 3 different cards in the second version that also match the supplied weapons. So seems the carapace volcano cannon will be resin.


They have printed the wrong "volcano cannon" card. I'm very sure a quick email to Forgeworld would confirm it.


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Yeah It should be the S10 Volcano. And the funny part is they probably print lots of these 1 piece weapon card, how this error happen is simply mind blowing, they had a whole year.

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Mildly disappointed that Legio Infernus have no tangible bonus for Warlords whatsoever, despite the fact that they are a Legion that almost exclusively uses Warlords + Warhounds in the lore. Hopefully Warlords get some kind of melta weapon down the road to encourage their use

That Mordaxis scheme, though, has really captured my imagination. Love it. Probably never going to get transfers knowing my luck though

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Yes, its a rather silly mistake to make, but forgivable.

There is the reaver card in the rule set to reference, and spares in the reaver card pack.

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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Mildly disappointed that Legio Infernus have no tangible bonus for Warlords whatsoever, despite the fact that they are a Legion that almost exclusively uses Warlords + Warhounds in the lore. Hopefully Warlords get some kind of melta weapon down the road to encourage their use

That Mordaxis scheme, though, has really captured my imagination. Love it. Probably never going to get transfers knowing my luck though


Regarding Mordaxis, I think you only have to look at two of the transfer sets in this release to know that those things are an absolute crapshoot. So maybe?


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Chopstick wrote:
Yeah It should be the S10 Volcano. And the funny part is they probably print lots of these 1 piece weapon card, how this error happen is simply mind blowing, they had a whole year.


It's a weird decision, but not a misprint. The BELICOSA is a carapace mount and corridor fire arc for the warbringer. And the 3 weapon cards are together on a punch out sheet.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Or the volcano cannon is resin.


Why would it be resin? The VC already exists in plastic, magentize the one that came with your Warlord and you're good to go.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Or the volcano cannon is resin.


Why would it be resin? The VC already exists in plastic, magentize the one that came with your Warlord and you're good to go.


I’m pretty sure the back mounted one will have a different mounting point/method than the Warlords arm ones, I don’t think it’ll be that simple.
   
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I've just sent an email to Forgeworld to clarify if the Warbringer kit has the wrong volcano card or not. Also, I've raised the issue about the Acastus being restricted in games.

I'll keep you all posted.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Or the volcano cannon is resin.


Why would it be resin? The VC already exists in plastic, magentize the one that came with your Warlord and you're good to go.


I’m pretty sure the back mounted one will have a different mounting point/method than the Warlords arm ones, I don’t think it’ll be that simple.


That's a Quake Cannon, not a Volcano Cannon.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Or the volcano cannon is resin.


Why would it be resin? The VC already exists in plastic, magentize the one that came with your Warlord and you're good to go.


I’m pretty sure the back mounted one will have a different mounting point/method than the Warlords arm ones, I don’t think it’ll be that simple.


That's a Quake Cannon, not a Volcano Cannon.


Yes, but the way the back weapon mounts on means you can’t just magnetise you’re warlords Volcano cannon and whack it on the back. Unless you mean the smaller volcano cannon for the arm, which comes with the Reaver, not the Warlord?
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:

I didn't realise that Audax got a strength increase along with the reinforced plating...interesting.

In another way I'm a bit disappointed that Shadow & Iron hasn't introduced the maniple - or was it a legio? - where we can take scout titans, and not necessarily the Hound. It was mentioned waaaay back.


Is that not Audax? There just isn’t any other scout titans out yet.


Yeah, the Wolves Among Prey rule limits Audax to Scale 6 and below. The Stalk Unseen rule and their Legio wargear reference "Audax Titan". So (eventually) Rapier Scout Titans will be legal for Audax and benefit from all that stuff. That was the rumor from the studio a while back -- that Audax isn't just limited to Warhounds...they're limited to SCOUTS.

However, the current maniples are all locked to certain Titan types. So to field Rapiers in a maniple, either the current maniples will need to change in an errata, or we'll need new Rapier-based maniples. The latter option is how they're handling the Warbringer. Which is an interesting design decision.



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 zedmeister wrote:
I could see them releasing a second warbringer sprue with Carapace Volcano Cannon and Arm meltacannon and gatling blaster + alt heads and armour plates.


I was hoping that, but unlike the Reaver & Warlord the Warbringer head is on the same sprue as the main body rather than the weapons.

Nothing to stop them including a 2nd head on a new weapon sprue of course, but still a little worrying.


Maybe the second kit won't have the Nemesis designation, and therefore have design differences like a new head to underline that?

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Chopstick wrote:
Yeah It should be the S10 Volcano. And the funny part is they probably print lots of these 1 piece weapon card, how this error happen is simply mind blowing, they had a whole year.


It's a punch card with three weapons on it.




 gorgon wrote:
However, the current maniples are all locked to certain Titan types. So to field Rapiers in a maniple, either the current maniples will need to change in an errata, or we'll need new Rapier-based maniples. The latter option is how they're handling the Warbringer. Which is an interesting design decision.

Maybe the second kit won't have the Nemesis designation, and therefore have design differences like a new head to underline that?


Warbringer is an artillery titan, so has a different role and different maniples. A Rapier being a different scout titan could go either with different maniples, or with a simple rule that it may replace a Warhound in a maniple.


I'm hoping for a different head, though I'm still waiting on the Lucius Alpha head for the Warlord. Still have fingers crossed for a third warlord sprue with the Lucius Alpha head, Gatling Blaster, Quake Cannon, Las Cutter, and carapace VMBs.

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What is ‘weapon critically disabled’ exactly? Do we have any info about that?

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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
Yeah It should be the S10 Volcano. And the funny part is they probably print lots of these 1 piece weapon card, how this error happen is simply mind blowing, they had a whole year.


It's a punch card with three weapons on it.


That's the point, this is a new print, they print the (new) card with the Warbringer text at the corner then cut it so you can "punch" it. A botched print like this is catastrophic, would need to be recalled, reprint, and repackage which waste lots of time and money.

Absolutely top tier design checker they got, I doubt they even got someone in that role.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
What is ‘weapon critically disabled’ exactly? Do we have any info about that?


I checked the warbringer instructions, new rulebook, and shadow and iron book, didn't see anything. Meanwhile, I got confused by the shock lance and ursus claw both being specialized weapons (cannot be repaired unless otherwise specified) both having a normal repair value on the flip side in shadow and iron.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
Yeah It should be the S10 Volcano. And the funny part is they probably print lots of these 1 piece weapon card, how this error happen is simply mind blowing, they had a whole year.


It's a punch card with three weapons on it.


That's the point, this is a new print, they print the (new) card with the Warbringer text at the corner then cut it so you can "punch" it. A botched print like this is catastrophic, would need to be recalled, reprint, and repackage which waste lots of time and money.

Absolutely top tier design checker they got, I doubt they even got someone in that role.


What error are you talking about? The top Volcano is supposed to be a Belicosa, not the smaller Reaver one and seems to be all right?

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 Sherrypie wrote:

What error are you talking about? The top Volcano is supposed to be a Belicosa, not the smaller Reaver one and seems to be all right?


Sigh, okay here goes

The model they sell to you come with :

1. The S10 Reaver arm Volcano Cannon

2. Reaver arm Laser Blaster

3. Carapace Mori Quake Cannon.

For the punch card you get 3 cards on it:

1. Carapace Mori Quake Cannon.

2. Carapace Belicosa Volcano Cannon.

3. Reaver arm Laser Blaster.

Something is missing?

Hire a design checker.

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Maybe this will push them to make all weapon cards available in a free PDF when they add the new command terminals to the list.
   
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The real question isn't why is there a Reaver arm card missing, the question is why is there one in the first place. You should have those cards already.

While GW makes plenty of mistakes, this time I think they wanted to just print 2 new Carapace cards for the Nemesis and then they had 1 slot left over on the punch card and simply put something useful in there.

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The big question is why include only the reaver laser blaster card and not the reaver volcano card?

Either they wanted to include two warbringer-specific carapace cards, or three cards for the weapons that are actually included in the kit.

Being as they have the warbringer's weapons on a single sprue, it seems easily exchanged for a variant kit - which has already been the case for the Reaver and Warlord. Even if not, why expect customers to purchase both of the previous two Reaver weapon sprues and a resin Volcano cannon?

That all said, glass half-full , this is a "happy accident". If you feel like making your own volcano cannon for the Warbringer's carapace, you have its card early, and all the reaver weapons are included in the rules set or - if fielding at least one reaver alongside your Warbringer - you could just purchase the Reaver weapon card pack for plenty of copies, which is but £7.50 and now covers two titans.

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Yeah, Sounds like a printing mistake to me. That should be the reaver arm volcano cannon and someone didn’t spot the problem until it’s too late...
   
 
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