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Looking for subtle comp tweaks as well as legality. I don't own wracks.

Patrol - Black Heart
Archon - venom blade, Relic: Writ of the Living Muse, Splinter Genius, Trait?

Kab TrueBorn x10, Blasters x2, Dark Lance, PGL, 120 points
Kabalite Ws x10, Blasters x2, Dark Lance, 115 points
Kabalite Ws x10, Blasters x2, 100 points

Scourges x4 blasters 100 points
Ravager - Dark Lances
Raider - Dark Lance, Chain Snare & Grisly Trophies 120
Raider - Dark Lance, Chain Snare & Grisly Trophies 120
Raider - Dark Lance, Chain Snare & Grisly Trophies 120

2nd Patrol - Black Heart? It won't booger up any traits if I go with another Kabal? Suggestions?
Archon - venom blade
Kabalite Ws x5, Blaster, 50 points
Kabalite Ws x5, Blaster, 50 points*
Scourges x4 blasters 100 points
Scourges x4 blasters 100 points
Ravager - Dark Lances
Ravager - Dark Lances
Venom - Splinter Cannon

3rd patrol -Prolly Strife
Succubus - ShardNet & Impaler - 70
Wyches x5, ShardNet & Impaler - 65
Venom, Splinter Cannon, Chain Snares

1950 points

*One of the Kabalite units won't have a venom. With only 15 points from making that happen, I could swap out one Scourge unit for a 5 board Hellion unit and save 25 points, granting that venom. But it's a loss of 4 blasters.

I'm open to suggestions. Again, I can't provide a Real Space Raid as I don't have models for a coven. I don't own Reaver bikes. I have already plundered the bits box to gain 2 footer Dark Lances that had never been a consideration in previous editions. I don't have the bits for another DL.

Comments welcome!

I think putting your Succubus and five wyches in a Venom is asking for it to get shot off the board.

I'd try to find the points to bring your 5 person squads up to ten and shove them in Raiders.

For the raiders carrying kabalite warriors, maybe consider splinter racks. It'll make them more effective chaff clearers.

I'm a little worried about your list's ability to push units off of points. Large number of scourge, but your only truly dangerous CC are the cult and archon. Maybe consider running pure Obby Rose kabal list and replace your cult units with some incubi to ride along with your archon.

Altima wrote:
I think putting your Succubus and five wyches in a Venom is asking for it to get shot off the board.

I agree, but I'm running out of models. And the girls are the last few hundred points.

Altima wrote:
I'd try to find the points to bring your 5 person squads up to ten and shove them in Raiders.

The other list is 3 units of 10 girls, one of 'em upped to BloodBrides, with 3 succubi, with many of the fun toys, Tryptich, Cursed Blade, etc.
I ran a 30 or so wych list all through 7e & 8e. The Kabalites are proportionally lower in number in that last list as the girls have always had more punch, and apparently, this codex, far effingtingly Blankity BLANK! more punch.

Altima wrote:
For the raiders carrying kabalite warriors, maybe consider splinter racks. It'll make them more effective chaff clearers.

I'm a little worried about your list's ability to push units off of points. Large number of scourge, but your only truly dangerous CC are the cult and archon. Maybe consider running pure Obby Rose kabal list and replace your cult units with some incubi to ride along with your archon.

Incubi are on my 'purchase next' but they can't be obtained for love or money.

 Brothererekose wrote:
I agree, but I'm running out of models. And the girls are the last few hundred points.

I get it, but I'm not sure they'd do more than provide a convenient point for your opponent to fixate their firepower. Logically, they should be shooting at your ravagers, but many people have a weird fixation on the succubus this edition and the venom is less able to take damage than a raider. Go ahead and try out but don't be surprised if all you're paying for is a glorified distraction carnifex.

 Brothererekose wrote:

The other list is 3 units of 10 girls, one of 'em upped to BloodBrides, with 3 succubi, with many of the fun toys, Tryptich, Cursed Blade, etc.
I ran a 30 or so wych list all through 7e & 8e. The Kabalites are proportionally lower in number in that last list as the girls have always had more punch, and apparently, this codex, far effingtingly Blankity BLANK! more punch.

It's true that Wyches are a lot more punchy in this edition but there's also a few caveats. Wyches are most effective at the 10-squad limit since they can take all the wych weapons. They also almost need a transport, which should hopefully be a raider. Unfortunately, they don't benefit from the raider's open top except with their pistols. Lastly, wyches are somewhat akin to repentia--they're cruise missiles meant to slam into high priority targets and be spent.

Plus a raider with a shockprow to eat or deter the overwatch is hilarious. Just go in sideways so you have the maximum amount of coverage.

 Brothererekose wrote:
Incubi are on my 'purchase next' but they can't be obtained for love or money.

I hear you. Might want to proxy a few games, though. DE have a lot of toys this edition and it sounds like you already have a healthy number of CC models. Hellions, reavers, and even mandrakes could provide a lot of needed board control, and the hellions/reavers fly-by can be a nasty surprise

Transport upgrades are great, but deceptively expensive. I would seriously consider what you intend each transport to do in-game, and equip accordingly; if its a 'fire support Raider' then consider Splinter Racks, but leave off Chain Snares/Shock Prows. Also bear in mind that for the cost of a Splinter Rack you can upgrade a Venom to a Raider.

The Grisly Trophies are doing nothing (that I can see) for your list, and getting rid of them will claw back 15 points. They are only worth it in conjunction with Incubi and/or Dark Creed.

Altima wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:
I agree, but I'm running out of models. And the girls are the last few hundred points.

I get it, but I'm not sure they'd do more than provide a convenient point for your opponent to fixate their firepower. Logically, they should be shooting at your ravagers, but many people have a weird fixation on the succubus this edition and the venom is less able to take damage than a raider. Go ahead and try out but don't be surprised if all you're paying for is a glorified distraction carnifex.

In the heavy Kab version, yer correct. And it would be 2 sets of shooting to whack the venom, then girls and mebbe a 3rd enemy unit to shoot the succubus if she could be targeted. That'd be a lot of shooting not at the Kabal. So, mebbe a *good* thing?

What I'm really lacking now is a solid grasp of secondaries across the RB and the various armies. I dunno as the venom with girls & Head Cheerleader even yields significant points this edition.

For the next statement, lemme emphasize something.

Altima wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:
The other list is 3 units of 10 girls, one of 'em upped to BloodBrides, with 3 succubi, with many of the fun toys, Tryptich, Cursed Blade, etc.
I ran a 30 or so wych list all through 7e & 8e.
SNIP!

It's true that Wyches are a lot more punchy in this edition but there's also a few caveats. Wyches are most effective at the 10-squad limit since they can take all the wych weapons. They also almost need a transport, which should hopefully be a raider. Unfortunately, they don't benefit from the raider's open top except with their pistols. Lastly, wyches are somewhat akin to repentia--they're cruise missiles meant to slam into high priority targets and be spent.

I will elaborate:
I've spent years running 3 near full (raiders were 10 person capacity until this book) units of girls. 9, 9, & 8 strong and accompanied by 2 succubi. I know how they work.

No rancor or snark intended, just clarifying.

Altima wrote:
Plus a raider with a shockprow to eat or deter the overwatch is hilarious.

My girls have been hopping out of those raiders since 5e, with a small vacation during 6e as that codex was meh. I even have the girls' hair by squad, and each raider they use by same hair color.

The venoms were painted and built with units of TrueBlasters in mind back when they existed in 7e. And two more venoms for MORE kabalites running around.
...
I really miss the 7e Dark Eldar.

Altima wrote:
Just go in sideways so you have the maximum amount of coverage.

I'm not sure I understand this. If the hull is sideways, the girls assault around its base under the bow and stern ... and coverage?

Next post, the list with wyches.


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The list with my girls, with some wargear & points removed for simplicity.

Achon
Kab TrueBorn - Blaster 2x10, Dark Lance
Kabalite Ws x5 - Blaster
Kabalite Ws x5 - Blaster
x5 Scourges - Blasters 10 x 4
x5 Scourges - Blasters 10 x 4
Ravager - DarkLances x 3
Ravager - DarkLances x 3
x4 Raiders - Chain Snares , Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies (wyches & Trueborn)
x2 Venoms (kab dorks. Yea, some of these go with the other detachments)

Patrol Detachment
Succubus - Relic: Triptych Whip
Succubus - Master Succubus, Show Stealer
Hekatrix Bloodbrides - ShardNet & Impaler
Wyches - ShardNet & Impaler 10
Hellions - x5 (I got points and wanna try 'em out. Yeah, the 20 dude unit has that one narly strategem, but I won 5)

Patrol Detachment
Succubus - Shardnet & Impaler
Wyches - PGL, ShardNet & Impaler

Any drukhari players have figured out the best secondaries to take with a heavy wych list?

Well, your Kabal is full of dark matter weapons.
This is useful for a highly mechanized or heavily armored meta.
I'd consider disintegrators and shredders as an alternative.