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Good day to all. I am a player that has been out of 40k since 4th edition. All my old miniatures are on 25mm bases. I am looking to get into 9th edition but know that all my marines are now on 32mm bases and terminators are on 40mm bases. Should I really spend the time to rebase them? I have about 60-70 Space Marines, 40 Nurgle Marines and a dozen or so Terminators, so it will be no small chore to rebase them.

I have looked up other forum topics on this and the threads mainly talk about the aesthetics and not specifically about how they effect the rules or how the game is plaid. Can anyone bring up specific times when the different size bases will have an effect on the game? My first thought was when using template weapons but I have read through the 9th edition rules once and I see there are no more template weapons. Squad coherency seems the same and ranges of weapons will measure to fronts of bases, so I don't see how that matters. In all honesty I have yet to play a 9th edition game yet, so I admit to being very ignorant.

1. Am I at an advantage against my opponents on my 25mm bases?

2. Am I at a disadvantage against my opponents on my 25mm bases?

3. Does it really not matter?

Thank you all for your answers (and please don't take this in the direction that the only reason the baes have changed is so GW can get more of my money).
   
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Easier to hide stuff with smaller bases. more models can get in to BtB. Foot print matters too, specially for big armies. 30 models in a unit of 25mm bases and on 32mm is big difference in space being taken up. And if you run 3 or 4+ of such units the difference can impact the game.

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There are advantages and disadvantages to increasing/decreasing base size. Similar to size of model having both pros and cons (easier to be seen also means easier due you to see something.)

Larger bases means a unit’s footprint is bigger. This van be bad if trying to fit lots of models into a tight spot. Larger bases means big units (especially in horde armies) might struggle to stay out of sight behind cover, or to place the unit after disembarking a vehicle, or in a deployment zone and makes it harder to get as many models into engagement range.

The same larger footprint makes it easier to get in range of objectives, and the base is part of the model so counts for line of sight, which makes it harder to hide but also easier for you to spot other models. Your units can spread out more and be more able to screen, and it is extends the range of auras if you have a larger base.

I’m sure others can give more detail and examples.

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Ireland

GW say use the bases that came with your models.

I’ve a bunch of old Terminators and the thoughts of changing the bases on all of them is not appealing. You can buy adaptors to sit the smaller bases inside of to increase their footprint but honestly if someone insisted I used them because of the very slight mathematical advantage I might possibly get, then I’m going to use my “Are you serious?” eyebrows.

Tournaments might enforce a rule about modern base sizes but outside of that, use the bases you have.
   
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I put most of my marines on newer bigger bases and repainted, updated the look as the new base under the old makes them about as tall in game as a restartes so LoS and all that is more equivalent

   
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For most people, I would say it's more aesthetically pleasing to have a Marine or Terminator that actually fits on the base they have, rather than hanging off the sides weirdly. Base size matters quite a bit when it comes to gaming, however. If you have 10 CSM on 32mm and 10 Tacticals on 25mm, the Tacticals will be able to get more into combat range in a confined space. The Tacticals would also be able to hide better than the CSM. It is a discussion you would need to have with your opponent as it could be viewed as "modelling for an advantage" (like with an older Rhino kit having a much lower profile than the newer one) even though it wasn't intentional.
   
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 Gert wrote:
It is a discussion you would need to have with your opponent as it could be viewed as "modelling for an advantage" (like with an older Rhino kit having a much lower profile than the newer one) even though it wasn't intentional.


Yes, but there are definitively ways to make it 'look good'. I have a rogue trader era marine army which is tiny compared to the new stuff, so that does mean I can make better use of deployment zones if I need to pack people into somewhere, insides of buildings, hide behind walls etc. But as I have kept it 'authentic' - i.e. wysiwyg and haven't included non rogue trader stuff - I don't get thought of of having a gamey army. That does mean not having the more powerful modern units, but still for older players they love facing a blast from the past (and you can still field virtually all of it, only the jetbikes and mole mortar don't exist today - though the lascannon/plasma gun razorback is tricky).
   
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All the points above are valid bar one.

"Modelling for advantage my ..... (expletive deleted)".
   
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stroller wrote:
All the points above are valid bar one.

"Modelling for advantage my ..... (expletive deleted)".


It's even worse, you did it premeditated!

My Chaplain, terminator Capt & RTB-01's will never change their bases and if someone has a problem playing against them, I guess I won't be playing that person again.
   
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stroller wrote:
All the points above are valid bar one.

"Modelling for advantage my ..... (expletive deleted)".


I'm now thinking about modelling my [expletive deleted] for advantage. Might get me kicked out of a store though.
   
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Depends on the store...
   
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Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
Depends on the store...

If he runs Nurgle and claims it's being done for RP purposes, he might get away with it...
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.


How do they cope with the models being smaller? Risers as well as larger bases?
   
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As many have alluded too: Play tournaments? Rebase for sure. No tournaments? The advantage isn't big enough for it to matter in friendly games so no need.


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The_Real_Chris wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.


How do they cope with the models being smaller? Risers as well as larger bases?


Bases have a specific easy to follow standard, models are more malleable. The difference in size between a 2nd ed marine and a 6th ed marine is significant but no more so than you could get through specific posings. Egregious instances of modeling for advantage are often dismissed bit with an eye towards not stifling player creativity.

The black and white nature of base sizes makes the bar for 'egregious ' very low relative to what models would constitute.

I know that's a more in depth answer than your smartass question deserved but these things absolutely are considered in the rules for events .

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 waefre_1 wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
Depends on the store...

If he runs Nurgle and claims it's being done for RP purposes, he might get away with it...

Maybe Slaanesh... or, exactly what kind of advantage are we looking to gain? If Nurgle, and if we are talking about what I think that we are talking about - modelling 4$$ - then I have known quite a few hobbyists who have vented their powers of Nurgle and who have gained some advantage, or at least opportunity, as morale tests fail rapidly and rooms clear with muttered calls for backup, ‘getting another beer’ or ‘smoke break’...

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Don't rebase! Those are finished models and if you have a spine you will stand for your completed work, instead of appeasing some tryhard rules lawyering.

Hey you might not even like 9th edition. Would be a regret for you then if you trashed all of your retro minis.

Try the game first with your current models and bases.

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 jeff white wrote:
 waefre_1 wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
Depends on the store...

If he runs Nurgle and claims it's being done for RP purposes, he might get away with it...

Maybe Slaanesh... or, exactly what kind of advantage are we looking to gain? If Nurgle, and if we are talking about what I think that we are talking about - modelling 4$$ - then I have known quite a few hobbyists who have vented their powers of Nurgle and who have gained some advantage, or at least opportunity, as morale tests fail rapidly and rooms clear with muttered calls for backup, ‘getting another beer’ or ‘smoke break’...



I was intending to take things in a more Slaanesh direction, but I suppose it all depends on the expletive you deleted.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.


Reading the base size chart for Necrons causes me physical pain. It’s just a mess. I’ve kind of moved to taking their official sizes as suggestions and have upped several things for consistency and matching. Stuff like all infantry squads on 32s, characters on 40s, basically the same kind of sizing as Marines which I liked the overall consistency of.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.


Reading the base size chart for Necrons causes me physical pain. It’s just a mess. I’ve kind of moved to taking their official sizes as suggestions and have upped several things for consistency and matching. Stuff like all infantry squads on 32s, characters on 40s, basically the same kind of sizing as Marines which I liked the overall consistency of.


Well that's a bit daft. Do they explain how I'm supposed to fit a Skorpek Destroyer on a 32mm?
   
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ccs wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Tournaments, at least the big ones, almost all follow the FLG 40k basing chart, because the smaller, older bases are typically a significant advantage. What you do casually is up to your particular group. If you are serious about getting back into the game, I would either rebase or at least invest in some base extenders to have around if you need to use them.


Reading the base size chart for Necrons causes me physical pain. It’s just a mess. I’ve kind of moved to taking their official sizes as suggestions and have upped several things for consistency and matching. Stuff like all infantry squads on 32s, characters on 40s, basically the same kind of sizing as Marines which I liked the overall consistency of.


Well that's a bit daft. Do they explain how I'm supposed to fit a Skorpek Destroyer on a 32mm?


Sorry, that one is me, I more meant bi-pedal infantry, not Destroyers. Stuff like sticking my Flayed Ones on 32s instead of the 28s so they match the Warriors and Lychguard and stuff and not putting the characters on dinky 25s.

 
   
 
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