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If I have read this correct is it saying that if I want to run a disciples of belakor army I need to buy Book of Fire. And indeed if I want Belakors 40K data sheet I need to buy a book that I assume is £20
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I assume that for my 20 pounds I will get something as thin as the Creation of Bile army rules in war of the spider
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?
I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.
Why is that fine? It’s a £90 model then 20 to run a small army list. This isn’t going to be a codex it’s gonna be a data sheet some strata and a list of units from other codexes that you can use. I doubt there will be any more than you can get front he next white for the fallen
mrFickle wrote: Why is that fine? It’s a £90 model then 20 to run a small army list. This isn’t going to be a codex it’s gonna be a data sheet some strata and a list of units from other codexes that you can use. I doubt there will be any more than you can get front he next white for the fallen
Because it's fully optional.
GW offers you a thing, you gauge its cost against your needs and make a choice. Simple and easy.
When rules for my faction are put into another book, that's a way more dirty commercial approach.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?
I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.
Literally nothing is "required" to run AdMech in book I. It was just a specialized list. Frankly, I'd have split that list into three books that were basically must-haves just to tax the Cult Mechanicus complainers who got my Skitarii screwed over anyways.
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As long as it is just optional stuff, then it is okey. Problems start when you get something like the GKPA book, where the codex alone is just unplayable without it.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Karol wrote: As long as it is just optional stuff, then it is okey. Problems start when you get something like the GKPA book, where the codex alone is just unplayable without it.
You can play GK without the PA, the added PA rules are an option. But I agree you shouldn’t have to pay to have correction made because they out out a crap codex. You can’t play disciples of belakor, or as it seems a CSM/demon soup, without this book.
Unless the rules will also be in the codex demons but we will never know until comes out a long time from now.
mrFickle wrote: Why is it being referred to as DLC? It’s a hard back book
It's used to say that this expansion book contains rules that should be in the Codizes that arrive at the same time. But to make more money these rules are outsourced to that expansion book. DLCs in PC games are similar in that the main game is released incomplete and you have to pay additionally to get more content for your game.
So the question is will these rules ultimately be in codex demons or CSM? I assume the PA rules for bile will be in codex CSM and all the rules that were released for DA are now in the supplement and so on.
Or because this army appears to be a CSM demons soup that a lot of chaos players would be interested in GW will keep it separate.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?
I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.
Literally nothing is "required" to run AdMech in book I. It was just a specialized list. Frankly, I'd have split that list into three books that were basically must-haves just to tax the Cult Mechanicus complainers who got my Skitarii screwed over anyways.
Right, I know it isn't "required", but it has more than just a specialist detachment.
Those who normally play Metalica or Raven will want book 1 already.
I guess you could say few people might play Metalica on top of whatever is in the next book, but its still not a great way to handle some of this.
I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.
Aaranis wrote: I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.
Simple answer: Books are a different production stream, and don't require the in-house production that models do (and in the past they've used several different printing houses).
Some also would have been in production during the periods when GW thought they'd be caught up on their release cycle, and they didn't want to just write off the costs they'd already incurred.
Aaranis wrote: I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.
That's probably why they're doing this. Ot makes the books more permanent.
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Kanluwen wrote: And if there were supplement books for Metalica or Raven, there'd be whining about that too.
I don't think I'm whining. I just don't think it is a customer centric business practice.
There would not be sufficient content to make a worthwhile supplement for sub factions of that size.
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If they had released full supplement books for those particular factions at a normal supplement cost, people would be a lot less upset than shoving 2 pages of rules for 4 different armies into a book and then charging you 60 bucks for it. This isn't a particularly complicated concept.
Of course they aren't going to do that, because supplement books only sell well enough to do for marines. This is a way to boost the sales by trying to get the owners of four different armies to all shell out double price for 1/4 the content.
Spoletta wrote: Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".
Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL
Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.
As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.
Spoletta wrote: Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".
Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL
Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.
As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.
This stuff was planned like a year ago. They already sunk the cost.
Spoletta wrote: Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".
Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL
Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.
As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.
This stuff was planned like a year ago. They already sunk the cost.
Yeah, I know. Doesn't change the fact. Still not a good look to release additional rules for factions so close to their codex. Or before their codex. And they can't blame the various problems on sticking Belakor's rules in this either if it was already planned. That means they planned to release his new model's rules before the Chaos Daemons codex. One datasheet in a $60 book. Ouch.
Gadzilla666 wrote: [ That means they planned to release his new model's rules before the Chaos Daemons codex.
Of course they did. It would make even LESS sense to release the model way after the book bearing his name.
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