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Could they? What do you think? I'm pretty sure we'll know one way or another by the end of the month and so if they are coming back... how do you feel?

Personally I'm pretty ecstatic. As stated elsewhere here, I'm a huge fan of their design. That original background lore needs to be retconned hard... but they are such wonderfully designed "baddies" that I can help but want them to return, and I would definitely get some to grease the wheel that churned them out.

   
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It could be, the rumors just said "smaller than an orc, larger than a goblin" and greenskin, which Fimir could fall under. I don't think the totem on Kragnos' base, which is presumably the new faction, looks very Fimir-like but it's anyone's guess.

They could always be incorporated into this new greenskin faction even if it's not all Fimir.

We just have to wait and see.

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Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.

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ERJAK wrote:
Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.


I def don't disagree that the Fimir lore as it is presently is abhorrent and abandoned for good reason.

But, eh-... I wasn't aware there was other stuff like that in the lore.

   
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Wayniac wrote:
It could be, the rumors just said "smaller than an orc, larger than a goblin" and greenskin, which Fimir could fall under. I don't think the totem on Kragnos' base, which is presumably the new faction, looks very Fimir-like but it's anyone's guess.

They could always be incorporated into this new greenskin faction even if it's not all Fimir.

We just have to wait and see.


Aren't fimirs pretty big though? At least fw models iirc came with 50mm bases.

Smaller than orc, bigger than goblin was likely reference to hobgoblin rumour. Separate rumour.

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ERJAK wrote:
Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.


Isn't Fimir lore basically about half a page from the Old World and even that was 20 years old whilst in AoS they have zero lore.

The rape angle is brought up time and again, but its easily changed to something else. Especially as since those days the sexual element of 40K and AoS is very muted. We know that it happens, but its more of an optional part of the lore and setting. Even Slaanesh doesn't have to involve any sexual desire or aspects and where it is involved its still more muted and never graphically shown or described. So you can just leave it out.

Heck Beastmen and mutants were said to do the same thing (or rumoured too in dark tales told by the fireside) to promote their numbers. It just was an optional element whilst in Fimir it was part of their culture and species.


Just change that aspect of the lore (keeping in mind thus far they have no lore in AoS) and they'd work.

   
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Fimir have been given recent snippets of lore in both 8th Edition WFB and also AOS 2nd Ed rulebook as well as for the Forgeworld minis.

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fimir

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fimir

They also appear in Total War

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I swear I read a bit of "updated" Fimir lore that changed it from kidnapping and raping human females to kidnapping and... treating nicely until the woman consents? or something more tame. Could have been a fan attempt to update the lore.

Still icky, still problematic, but... not quite as bad I guess? I would hope that if Fimir did come back that GW would just entirely remove the concept and have them, idk, lay eggs in human hosts or something, if they absolutely MUST keep the parasitic nature.
   
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I see no reason why Fimir couldn't come back. The Forge World ones already got rebranded as Destruction (from Chaos affiliation in Warhammer Fantasy) early on in Age of Sigmar. If 3rd ed is the time for Grand Alliance Destruction to move to the spotlight, I could very well see GW bringing back Fimir. GW has been on a nostalgia trip in the last half decade and has brought a number of Rogue Trader stuff into contemporary 40k. Fimir are an established aesthetic so some groundwork for a new faction is already laid, making filling out Destruction easier that if GW has to go with something all new.

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ERJAK wrote:
Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.


Isn't Fimir lore basically about half a page from the Old World and even that was 20 years old whilst in AoS they have zero lore.

The rape angle is brought up time and again, but its easily changed to something else. Especially as since those days the sexual element of 40K and AoS is very muted. We know that it happens, but its more of an optional part of the lore and setting. Even Slaanesh doesn't have to involve any sexual desire or aspects and where it is involved its still more muted and never graphically shown or described. So you can just leave it out.

Heck Beastmen and mutants were said to do the same thing (or rumoured too in dark tales told by the fireside) to promote their numbers. It just was an optional element whilst in Fimir it was part of their culture and species.


Just change that aspect of the lore (keeping in mind thus far they have no lore in AoS) and they'd work.


All I have to say on the matter is meh. First, rape isn't going to come up in any new background. Second, GW won't even acknowledge the old background. If Fimir come back, it's simply not going to be a thing.

GW doesn't do much in the way of world building in army books anymore. Even the followers of Slaanesh that have ample reason to have their way of life described in broader fashion outside the battlefield had an incredibly narrow focus on how and why devotees love to murderize things like there's nothing else in life in their previous battletome. I haven't read the latest one yet, but I have no reason to believe I'd find anything changed in it.

Furthermore GW didn't feel beholden to established background before they burned down the setting and made a new one. Now we have AoS and AoS is its own thing. GW won't go out of their way to alter past depictions of something if they don't mind these things to continue as they did, but the moment they want something else they will make something else. Past Fimir background is a non-issue because they'll just toss it.

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I'll be honest, I just assumed it was undead... what with the Soulblight Gravelords release.

Greenskin would obviously knock that on the head, but there seems to be some confusion as to the origin of that bit.
   
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This rumour engine from January shows a clawed foot on some ruins that match the basing of the new stormcast angel character so it could well be a teaser for the mystery adversaries in the 3rd edition boxed set.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/19/the-rumour-engine-19th-january-2021/

If you do an image search for Fimir it does look very similar in style to a Fimir foot, but it has 5 toes whereas Fimir (both original hero quest and forgeworld) have 3. My speculation is that it could well be Fimir related and they have either made some changes to the design or there are several types/subspecies of Fimir. Alternatively it could be that the new race occupies a very similar design space to Fimir and was born from them but is otherwise something original - in a similar way to 40K Demiurg being basically squats in concept but not actually squats. GW hasn't been shy about making up entirely new things for AoS so that wouldn't surprise me.
   
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I don’t think it’s Fimir.

First and foremost, the eyes appearing in the trailer aren’t Cyclopean.

Secondly, they’re Chaos, not Destruction (they were one of the early races to slave themselves to the Chaos Gods, and got shafted)

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Secondly, they’re Chaos, not Destruction (they were one of the early races to slave themselves to the Chaos Gods, and got shafted)

The Forge World warscrolls for the Fimir have the DESTRUCTION keyword.

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Just because something was doesn't mean they will always be. Gw isn't tied to keep old fluff. If gw thinks it makes them more money in lumineth codex mk3 they are khorne worshipping loonies. Old book is irrelevant.

Fimirs are so old and fluff would be changed anyway...

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If it's Firmir of some sort, that could be interesting - and a faction I actually don't own even a single model for.

Hobgoblins slotted in-between goblins & orcs as a standalone? Not really seeing the point in making another greenskin horde.
Of course I've never seen much point in hobgoblins anyways, not even as fodder in the old Chaos Dwarf lists....
   
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Fimir are already in AoS, or did you just think it's coincidence that there are cyclopean critters called "Fomoroids" out there? Entirely possible that they expand on that further.

As for the "eyes" in the video, I interpreted them as embers coming off the fire. Even if they are actually eyes, there were *plenty* of singular red dots in the mix which would be indicative of either cyclopeans or at the very least a mixture of cyclopean and non-cyclopean critters

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Fimir are already in AoS, or did you just think it's coincidence that there are cyclopean critters called "Fomoroids" out there? Entirely possible that they expand on that further.

We already know some of the Fomoroids' background. They are not Fimir.

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fomoroid

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fimir

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Ehats that supposed to prove? Ogors have different fluff from world that was Ogres and Duardin have different fluff from Dwarves, are you going to argue that those arent the same too?

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Ehats that supposed to prove? Ogors have different fluff from world that was Ogres and Duardin have different fluff from Dwarves, are you going to argue that those arent the same too?

Both of those articles have references that are direct from Age of Sigmar products. That proves that Fomoroid /= Fimir.

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So what you're saying is that I'm right about Fimir alrrady being in AoS? Glad we cleared that up.

FYI - Those sources don't say anything at all about Fomoroids being different from Fimir. If chaos dwarves are called Dawi Zharr and non-chaos dwarves are called Duardin, and chaos Ogors are (strongly implied) to be Ogroids, then chaos Fimir can be called Fomoroids.

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ERJAK wrote:
Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.


So...rewrite it. This isn't the Old World. Make an entire new story for them. That's why AoS exists.
   
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Highly doubt it, as it was a forge world project.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
So what you're saying is that I'm right about Fimir alrrady being in AoS? Glad we cleared that up.

FYI - Those sources don't say anything at all about Fomoroids being different from Fimir. If chaos dwarves are called Dawi Zharr and non-chaos dwarves are called Duardin, and chaos Ogors are (strongly implied) to be Ogroids, then chaos Fimir can be called Fomoroids.

So if the Fimir are Fomorians, then why the use of two different names? Why two different backgrounds? Again, your insistence that they're the same race is not supported by what information we have at all, no matter how much you want to be 'right'.

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Imo, there's 90% chance they will not be fimirs. They might make wolf-gobbos, expanding on the existiing underworlds warband if anything. Or they might be updated, more predatory beastmen. Either way, fimirs making a comeback has as much chance as tall-hats chorfs making a comeback. Theoretically possible, yet mostly just nostalgic daydream for the really ancient among us.
   
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ERJAK wrote:
Personally I think there's too much in the way of gang rape in the lore as it is but whatever.

Beastmen also had that lore before, it's just they were fully fleshed out in later editions, which left Flmir as the 'rape race' meme.

It was only recently GW/FW moved them over to Destruction despite being Chaos-aligned in WHFB along with making the Flmir Noble a Hero.
   
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 Unknown_Lifeform wrote:
This rumour engine from January shows a clawed foot on some ruins that match the basing of the new stormcast angel character so it could well be a teaser for the mystery adversaries in the 3rd edition boxed set.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/19/the-rumour-engine-19th-january-2021/

If you do an image search for Fimir it does look very similar in style to a Fimir foot, but it has 5 toes whereas Fimir (both original hero quest and forgeworld) have 3. My speculation is that it could well be Fimir related and they have either made some changes to the design or there are several types/subspecies of Fimir. Alternatively it could be that the new race occupies a very similar design space to Fimir and was born from them but is otherwise something original - in a similar way to 40K Demiurg being basically squats in concept but not actually squats. GW hasn't been shy about making up entirely new things for AoS so that wouldn't surprise me.

That foot looks very Skaven/Rat Ogre -like to me. Doesn't mean Fimir feet couldn't look similar, but if I had to bet on it I'd go with some kind of bipedal rat guy.
   
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The ruins on the bottom look like a good match for the storm cast sanguinius so I think what ever it is Skaven (which I view as more probable than Fimir in all honesty, despite wanting the Fimir quite alot) or Fimir is gonna be in.the new starter box.

   
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By the bye Fimir lay eggs in AoS

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Skaven haven’t had a lot of attention now I think about it. Certainly no new kits since the old world blew up, so far as I can recall.

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Cronch wrote:
Imo, there's 90% chance they will not be fimirs. They might make wolf-gobbos, expanding on the existiing underworlds warband if anything. Or they might be updated, more predatory beastmen. Either way, fimirs making a comeback has as much chance as tall-hats chorfs making a comeback. Theoretically possible, yet mostly just nostalgic daydream for the really ancient among us.


If I recall correctly the last time we got a similarly styled teaser was for giant giants, and that was pretty indicative of what we eventually got. How often do wolves get associated with swampy terrain? That's the major theme of the teaser. It doesn't have to be Fimir, but there's precious little chance that the theme for the other half of the starter set is not significantly related to a swamp.

That's the reason Fimir are brought up. Not because of nostalgia, but because they fit the theme. Of course it could also be something entirely new specifically written for that setting, or a variation of a supported race with a new, suitable theme.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Skaven haven’t had a lot of attention now I think about it. Certainly no new kits since the old world blew up, so far as I can recall.


They got a rat with a rocket in the same battle box as the boss ghoul king, but yeah, aside from that Skaven had to make do with pre-AoS models.

That said I'd consider it unfortunate to give Destruction and Ghur such a focus in in the edition announcement only to go and put Skaven in the starter set. Possible for sure, but not very likely in my opinion. And certainly not in good taste when you consider the state Grand Alliance Destruction is in.

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