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Made in ca
Focused Fire Warrior




Canada

Can a unit using insidious misdirection come back from strategic reserves turn 4 or 5?

CA: In Grand Tournament 2020 missions, Strategic Reserve and Reinforcement units can never arrive on the battlefield in the first battle round. Any Strategic Reserve or Reinforcement unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round counts as having been destroyed, as do any units embarked within them (this does not apply to units that are placed into Strategic Reserves after the first battle round has started).

Insidious misdirection: Use this Stratagem at the start of the first battle round. Select up to three KABAL OF THE POISONED TONGUE units from your army and redeploy them. If the mission uses the Strategic Reserves rules, any of those units can be placed into Strategic Reserves without having to spend any additional CPs, regardless of how many units are already in Strategic Reserves. If both players have abilities that redeploy units, roll off; the winner chooses who redeploys their units first.

Basically is start of the first battleround considered after the first battle round started?
   
Made in ca
Fully-charged Electropriest






Yes. The first battleround begins then at the start you can use this stratagem.

With the rules as they are written these units can arrive on turn 4 and 5.
   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

I disagree. After the first battle round has started is not the same as the start of the first battle round. Units placed in strategic reserves with insidious misdirection must still arrive by the end of turn 3, or they are destroyed.

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Made in ca
Fully-charged Electropriest






 p5freak wrote:
After the first battle round has started is not the same as the start of the first battle round.


Unfortunately this is a semantics issue, which is always the most entertaining type on this forum, and as I see it these are the same thing.

I can't see anything in the rule book that can give a clear answer though if this was brought up in an tournament that was using the Grand Tournament 2020 rules I can see them agreeing with you in order to prevent people from being able to bring in strategic reserves in turns 4 and 5 in the name of fairness.
   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

 KingGarland wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
After the first battle round has started is not the same as the start of the first battle round.


Unfortunately this is a semantics issue, which is always the most entertaining type on this forum, and as I see it these are the same thing.


I dont see any semantics issue. The word after makes it pretty clear. Its at some point later in time, when the start of the battle round has passed.

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Made in ca
Fully-charged Electropriest






 p5freak wrote:
 KingGarland wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
After the first battle round has started is not the same as the start of the first battle round.


Unfortunately this is a semantics issue, which is always the most entertaining type on this forum, and as I see it these are the same thing.


I dont see any semantics issue. The word after makes it pretty clear. Its at some point later in time, when the start of the battle round has passed.


What it says is "after the first battle round has started" not after the start of the first battle round. The start of the battle round is part of the battle round.
   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

 KingGarland wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 KingGarland wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
After the first battle round has started is not the same as the start of the first battle round.


Unfortunately this is a semantics issue, which is always the most entertaining type on this forum, and as I see it these are the same thing.


I dont see any semantics issue. The word after makes it pretty clear. Its at some point later in time, when the start of the battle round has passed.


What it says is "after the first battle round has started" not after the start of the first battle round. The start of the battle round is part of the battle round.


Citation please that start of the battle round is part of the battle round.

After the first battle round has started is when the start of the battle round is in the past, after it has happened.
   
Made in es
Regular Dakkanaut




The start of something is defined as "the first part or earliest stage of something", so the start of the battle round is part of the battle round because that's how the english language works.
   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

Seizeman wrote:
The start of something is defined as "the first part or earliest stage of something", so the start of the battle round is part of the battle round because that's how the english language works.


Even if thats true, it doesnt change anything about my point.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





 p5freak wrote:


Citation please that start of the battle round is part of the battle round.


The start of the battle round can't be before the battle round.
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




The first battle round has started, by definition. Yes, they can come in turn 4 or 5
   
 
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