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Made in ph
Moldy Mushroom




Philippines

Hi all,

I tried to use search functions to see if this has been debated already, but I was unable to find it. My apologies if this a dead horse.

I saw a YouTube video on GSC, where the poster noted that one of the most effective uses of the Cult Ambush rules, is to deploy one of the ambush markers right to the edge of the deployment zone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4VHXeu0NY0 You'll find it a 9:30

The RAW are like this:
"Each time you reveal an ambush marker, select one unit from your army that you set up in ambush, then set up one model from that that unit within 1" of that ambush marker. Then remove that marker before setting up the rest of that model's unit wholly within 6" of the first model, wholly within your deployment zone and more than 9" away from any enemy models."

Idea is basically to use the ambush marker to put a transport out in front of your deployment zone. Say 0.99" away. Then keep the transported unit inside the transport. Then, when it's time to start moving, disembark the transport in front of it, now even further out of the deployment zone, and rush right in and start ripping some things apart.

The GW FAQ does not say anything on this, but I saw it was very hotly debated on another forum. It developed into the usual "I won't play you, if you do that sort of sh#t" Is there a consensus on this in the tournament scene?

Best regards,
SK


   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

To do this trick to push transports out further is nothing controversial to GSC players. It has been known for years. GW has not done anything to stop it. The general consensus is that this is intensional.

Is it a big problem? Not really. GSC are not tearing up the tournament scene. The few times GSC has done good it is not because of that trick. Also GSC are among the worst armies at the moment alongside Tau and Thousand Sons.

Note that many armies have way better chances of getting l first turn charges. Tyranid flyers have 30 in movement. Many armies can start 9" away from the opponent. Even within GSC you can do the telepathic summons stratagem and get first turn charges.

If this is a rules question it should go in the YMDC.


   
Made in us
Irked Necron Immortal




But you cant do this. That guy is wrong about how deployment off blips works.

This is after the part about selecting a unit and a blip marker for deployment

Then remove that marker before setting up the rest of that model's unit wholly within 6" of the first model, wholly within your deployment zone and more than 9" from any enemy models.


also note that if the GSC player goes first they cannot setup units off of transports within 9" of an enemy unit.

units arriving from blips must always be within your deployment zone, within 1" of the blip, 9" away from enemy units, and units setup within 6" of the first model placed. Those are the restrictions
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut



London

BomBomHotdog wrote:
But you cant do this. That guy is wrong about how deployment off blips works.

This is after the part about selecting a unit and a blip marker for deployment

Then remove that marker before setting up the rest of that model's unit wholly within 6" of the first model, wholly within your deployment zone and more than 9" from any enemy models.


also note that if the GSC player goes first they cannot setup units off of transports within 9" of an enemy unit.

units arriving from blips must always be within your deployment zone, within 1" of the blip, 9" away from enemy units, and units setup within 6" of the first model placed. Those are the restrictions


I believe his point is when it comes to move units to disembark and move, not deploy as if the transported unit was part of the transport unit.
   
Made in us
Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba






BomBomHotdog wrote:
But you cant do this. That guy is wrong about how deployment off blips works.

This is after the part about selecting a unit and a blip marker for deployment

Then remove that marker before setting up the rest of that model's unit wholly within 6" of the first model, wholly within your deployment zone and more than 9" from any enemy models.


also note that if the GSC player goes first they cannot setup units off of transports within 9" of an enemy unit.

units arriving from blips must always be within your deployment zone, within 1" of the blip, 9" away from enemy units, and units setup within 6" of the first model placed. Those are the restrictions


The first model placed does not have the restriction of being wholly within your deployment zone. That's the point of the trick. You take the first model (say, a goliath rockgrinder) and you place it by the restrictions that apply to the first model - only that it be within 1" of the blip.

That way, you can deploy the back end of a vehicle model 1" outside your DZ.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut





Yeah, it definitely seems to work. I've made a point to make it clear to my opponents before my game that this is how I do it, I show them the rule, and they agreed with me.

The first part of the rule says how the first model is deployed. I've had to very carefully re-read this rule, because the part where you have to remain outside of 9" of enemy models does apply to even this very first model.

However, as you show, it says "the rest of that model's unit" is set up slightly differently, with the big note being that they have to be wholly within your deployment zone. The big benefactor of this rule are the transports, because it's a large single model, but any unit can get a couple inches bonus from this.

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