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Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





I’ve had a blast with the app Angevin and tried the army builder and after a bit of fiddling I think it’s pretty good, especially for people Like me that haven’t looked at army building much and haven’t looked at detachments etc.

I looked at BattleScribe years ago and found it a bit difficult to use and feel like it needed you to under stand army list well before using the builder. Where as the 40K app holds your hand a bit

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Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




Battlescribe is definitely not the most user-friendly app and I think both its user interface and default army list printout options could do with a lot of work. It is, however, pretty accurate for the most part and doesn't have any major bugs I'm aware of.

Have the various bugs in the 40k app been fixed now? I know there were countless weird issues back in November when I last checked, many of them specific to certain armies but pretty fundamentally broken if you played that army. I think the way GW launched the app has probably sunk it forever because many people (myself included) would take a lot of persuading before using the app again. Making it completely free would be the absolute minimum they'd have to do before I'd even consider it.
   
Made in de
Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot




Stuttgart

I would be way more interested in the app, if GW could just sell the code to unlock new rules in the app. In-app purchases are nothing new. I just don't want to buy books I will most likely use two times before they are replaced, that's just a massive waste of paper ...
   
Made in us
Daemonic Dreadnought





Eye of Terror

Battlescribe has come a long way in the last few years. Might be worth taking a second look.

Good to hear GW is making progress on Army Builder. Hope it continues.

   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Still lots of issues. They have yet to release the patch they mentioned months ago.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





I haven’t looked into the bugs in detail but the price has dropped to 1.99 a month in Uk and there was a 3 month free subscription available to me
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




LOL they still think it's worth even over a dollar. That's hilarious.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Does it still cost money and does it still only show in picture form? If so then its still trash.

   
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Agile Revenant Titan




Florida

It still won't allow me to build a Warp Spider unit consisting of 1 Exarch and 4 Spiders. That is a fairly significant issue to still not be rectified.

No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





Right well I just put together a quick CSM list. I think they have the right idea but they shouldn’t have released it unless they were confident that the rules could all be properly reflected. But quick release of defective software is just the norm now for some reason.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut



London

It is a baffling app. Such a half asses effort when there are plenty of companies that could knock up better.

I really don't understand why it isn't a purchasing portal, club/tournament/opponent finder (or way of linking to such services to avoid legal liability), a way of uploading images to social media, an army builder and way of recording battles. GW could generate loads of online content (i.e. advertising), track what people were up to and thinking of, and do some social networking exploitation (no it doesn't involve social media but tracks who are nodal points of influences in any target group - they can skip the kill/capture/observe options though) to better refine how they reach and grow their market.

Hell given how people like to boast a way of recording all the GW products and games you have would keep people entertained!

Incidentally the army building component should have driven how their army list construction rules work to better match and give the app an easier time, not try and rationalise the mess they currently have.

need a decent systems engineer to plan it and competent company to code it, with a simple admin interface for updating and uploading new stuff on the back end.

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Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





Yep, considering an app is something that can be developed remotely by a global team it’s something they should have prioritised during lockdown.

   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




mrFickle wrote:
Yep, considering an app is something that can be developed remotely by a global team it’s something they should have prioritised during lockdown.


Why? People would buy it regardless, whether it's because it's "official" or, as some people here literally did, to help encourage more fixing on the app.

Like, imagine buying a bad product in hopes the company will improve it.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in gb
Potent Possessed Daemonvessel





Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!

As people have said, according to a friend of mine who payed for the app, it's full of errors and bugs. Whilst the free, accurate and regularly updated Battlescribe app exists, I don't see many people using the official app besides people such as OP who were turned off from battlesribe for its initial un-user friendly UI.

But believe me, as someone who tried battlescribe many years ago, was turned away from it initially but then came back to it a few years back, battlescribe is a surprisingly useful and easy to use app.

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 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
Made in pl
Fixture of Dakka




Slayer-Fan123 798410 11127124 wrote:
Why? People would buy it regardless, whether it's because it's "official" or, as some people here literally did, to help encourage more fixing on the app.

Like, imagine buying a bad product in hopes the company will improve it.


how does paying for something bad help with fixing anything? if it sells bad, the company drops it. If it sells well enough the company decieds that the bad product was good enough, and not it becomes the new normal. Games are like that.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
Yep, considering an app is something that can be developed remotely by a global team it’s something they should have prioritised during lockdown.


Why? People would buy it regardless, whether it's because it's "official" or, as some people here literally did, to help encourage more fixing on the app.

Like, imagine buying a bad product in hopes the company will improve it.


No, they should have established a minimum viable product and not launched until they could provide it. Then you go into iterative cycles of developing enhancements and deployment through controlled releases. This is industry best practice. Customers have the right to expect certain levels of quality, utility and warranty. For non digital products this is covered by numerous consumer rights laws in the U.K. and EU for physical products. I don’t know why software developers get away with it.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Still doesn't work the way it needs to. It doesn't really matter how user-friendly it is, as long as you can't actually rely on it to be right and let you create legal lists, it's not much use.



   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps




United Kingdom

 Sarigar wrote:
It still won't allow me to build a Warp Spider unit consisting of 1 Exarch and 4 Spiders. That is a fairly significant issue to still not be rectified.
It lets me do this - are you sure your app is up to date?
   
Made in gb
Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend





Port Carmine

The army builder should be free, a way for GW to encourage you to buy their stuff.

When I tried it out, I found it annoying that I couldn't sort the options to take account of what I actually own.

Battlescribe is the superior option, for me.

VAIROSEAN LIVES! 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




 harlokin wrote:

Battlescribe is the superior option

Fixed that for you. Battlescribe is NOT hard to use.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut





I tried to build an eldar army using it and gave up after a while because I couldn't create war walkers with 2 of the same weapon. I haven'nt touch battlescribe since January of 2020 and I tried using it couple days ago and it has has improved
   
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I like the GW app. Works for my armies, and I enjoy the datasheet integration. But, to each their own. But, I was using the Lone Wolf army builder until now (bought my license like a decade ago), as I just can't stand the Battlescribe UI and output.

Wolfspear's 2k
Harlequins 2k
Chaos Knights 2k
Spiderfangs 2k
Ossiarch Bonereapers 1k 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




jaredb wrote:
I like the GW app. Works for my armies, and I enjoy the datasheet integration. But, to each their own. But, I was using the Lone Wolf army builder until now (bought my license like a decade ago), as I just can't stand the Battlescribe UI and output.

Oh man, Lone Wolf is fantastic for UI, but what exactly is wrong with the UI for Battlescribe?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






Is lonewolf even around anymore? lol

   
Made in us
Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader






Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
jaredb wrote:
I like the GW app. Works for my armies, and I enjoy the datasheet integration. But, to each their own. But, I was using the Lone Wolf army builder until now (bought my license like a decade ago), as I just can't stand the Battlescribe UI and output.

Oh man, Lone Wolf is fantastic for UI, but what exactly is wrong with the UI for Battlescribe?


That's why I still used Lone Wolf lol. I don't know what it is, but I find wargear and models to units can be really clunky, and the output is awful.



Is lonewolf even around anymore? lol


Yep! Pretty inconsistent updates on the 40k side, so I updated the files for my own armies manually to keep up with changes.

Wolfspear's 2k
Harlequins 2k
Chaos Knights 2k
Spiderfangs 2k
Ossiarch Bonereapers 1k 
   
Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut




 Amishprn86 wrote:
Is lonewolf even around anymore? lol


I feel like they must be like winrar, another company handles it and still manages all the business stuff that needs to be done.

But I just check my app and it’s still awful, I don’t get how people can say it’s up to standard.
On a phone it’s better, but it’s near unusable on my tablets still.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Leaving aside the issue of not being able to build some legal units (although that's not an insignificant issue), I think Army Builder is better than Battlescribe for comparing options and designing a list. It puts all of the options and the associated rules on the screen so it's much easier to decide which options you want, particularly if you're in the early stages of learning a new army.

Where it falls down is actually playing a list, because it doesn't give you a concise unit by unit overview of the stats and rules for the options you actually picked.

I wind up using Army Builder to design a list and then port it over to Battlescribe to play it. I'd really prefer to have one tool that did both, but it is what it is.

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Implacable Skitarii




My biggest problem isn’t with the app user interface, it’s the fact that every time I use it to write a list, I’ll find that the data is just WRONG.

I threw together a quick 500 point list Ad Mech list for a Combat Patrol game, only to find the stats for the mechadendrites on my Tech-priest Manipulus are wrong, and my servitors (which only come in a unit if 4) have an error saying you can’t have more than 3 in a unit.

If my opponent sent me a list using the app, I’d end up putting it in BattleScribe myself, just to look for errors.

I should really get around to canceling my subscription, but it’s cheap enough I haven’t bothered, and I’ll probably forget about it again since I rarely think about this app.

If youre using this for army building, please double check everything with your codex, because GW isn’t.


   
Made in pl
Fixture of Dakka




Wouldn't you have to learn what your army units do, before starting to build the list? Otherwise there isn't much list building, but some random unit slapping. But if that is the case, then why would the person even care what rules the models had, if he did not care about them durning the list building or buying phase?



If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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I think they wanted to pull what Blizzard did with their app, where in order to get into Blizcon you needed their app, which required you, among other things, to give it full access to your phone's data. I can see GW saying in order to play at our tournament, you need to use our app/thing?
   
 
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