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So I want to start combining my hobbies, and my 40k models don't really lend themselves to use in DnD.

The intercessor fires his rifle at the party, roll 10d6 explosive/piercing damage....

What someone suggested to me was to go with AoS, which has great compatibility at least model wise.

I looked on line, and it appears the 8 dollar model and magazine option comes with "All the rules and a free mini" is that wrong?

In 40k it takes over a 100 USD to even learn the hobby, I don't get it.

Now I am told AoS is about to drop a new edition, so point remains,

Is now a bad time to get into the hobby rules and model wise?

It depends on what army have you thought of starting. New edition mean new launch set and new good value starter sets. We know already that the launch set will feature new breed of Stormcast Eternals and the other army will be revealed within the next two weeks. If Stormcast or yet-revealed Destruction army could be your cup of tea, it's good idea to wait for a while.

Personally I would avoid any armies that rely heavily on old WHFB kits such as Cities of Sigmar. Armies that are new to Age of Sigmar are safe to start at any time. This includes but is not limited to Kharadron Overlords, Idoneth Deepkin, Ossiarch Bonereapers and Hedonites of Slaanesh, for example.

I was looking at either the starter kit that looks like goblin people with the two giant vehicles, or the lizard people and giant riding lizards. I feel those would most easily transition to usable DND monsters....The rules seem to vary depending on what starter set I buy. Is it like 40k where there is a BRB and a codex?

I cannot figure out what you mean by "goblin people with two giant vehicles"

is it this one?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Skaven-Pestilens

Rihgu wrote:
I cannot figure out what you mean by "goblin people with two giant vehicles"

is it this one?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Skaven-Pestilens

Yup. That is them. I was just going by glance, but I see now they are rat people?

Still none of these come with rules, correct? So is there a specific codex that needs to be bought as well?

This is the battletome you'd want to maximize effectiveness with unique faction spells, traits, artefacts, etc.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battletome-Skaven-pb-2019eng

Yes, every army has a tome of rules, equivalent to a 40k codex.

Bare in mind with a new edition around around corner we would start to expect new books with it, though it will likely take a couple of years to replace them all.

Skaven are a relatively old 2e book though, so I would expect their 3e book to be one of the early ish books to be replaced.

Seraphon are a bit newer, and maybe safer for a while... but thats unless GW decide to release new models for them bumping them up the queue. Its all a guessing game really.

Ok, so that's if I want to run Skaven, which now seeing as they are rat people, don't really do anything for my DnD. That leaves me with Lizard people or the undead guys. I have a ton of skeletons myself, so I feel like the best bet is the lizard people. Those can easily stand in as anything from Yuanti to Gith, to actual lizardlings.


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No wait, I got it, Beasts of chaos. Those guys look perfect for DnD monsters.

 Stux wrote:
Skaven are a relatively old 2e book though, so I would expect their 3e book to be one of the early ish books to be replaced.

According to this list from Lexicanum, there's five older second edition battletomes (Stormcast Eternals, Nighthaunt, Beasts of Chaos, Gloomspite Gitz and Flesh-eater Courts). Add to that there's first edition battletomes still in use (Maggotkin of Nurgle and Idoneth Deepkin) and the new Destruction army from the third edition starter that the Skaven battletome may be further off than one may think.

So one of my friends just volunteered to go in with me on their starter pack, of the Golden dudes vs the scary looking ghost people.

biggest attractors was that the Storm cast eternals can be modeled as female, but on the GW pages, all I see are dude models with female heads. Is there like new sprus coming to allow me to make them like the figure on the Core Rule book?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So one of my friends just volunteered to go in with me on their starter pack, of the Golden dudes vs the scary looking ghost people.

biggest attractors was that the Storm cast eternals can be modeled as female, but on the GW pages, all I see are dude models with female heads. Is there like new sprus coming to allow me to make them like the figure on the Core Rule book?

The core book has a female stormcast liberator IIRC, and the only model for that is in the Warhammer Underworlds warband. Liberators are some of the oldest stormcast models, the newer ones like sequitors (which are in the box set you're talking about) do have more female models, approx. 4 in every 10 or so.

The previews for the next wave of stormcast with spears did have a 50:50 ratio of male and female stormcast, and I'm personally hoping that's the case when they eventually come out.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Skaven are a relatively old 2e book though, so I would expect their 3e book to be one of the early ish books to be replaced.

According to this list from Lexicanum, there's five older second edition battletomes (Stormcast Eternals, Nighthaunt, Beasts of Chaos, Gloomspite Gitz and Flesh-eater Courts). Add to that there's first edition battletomes still in use (Maggotkin of Nurgle and Idoneth Deepkin) and the new Destruction army from the third edition starter that the Skaven battletome may be further off than one may think.

Also for gw age of book is little concern. See how lumineth got new book 10 months after intended launch or sisters of battle, last 8e book, gets 9e book early. Without even needing one and way before books that really need one first(eldar, csm, tau for example)

 ScarletRose wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So one of my friends just volunteered to go in with me on their starter pack, of the Golden dudes vs the scary looking ghost people.

biggest attractors was that the Storm cast eternals can be modeled as female, but on the GW pages, all I see are dude models with female heads. Is there like new sprus coming to allow me to make them like the figure on the Core Rule book?

The core book has a female stormcast liberator IIRC, and the only model for that is in the Warhammer Underworlds warband. Liberators are some of the oldest stormcast models, the newer ones like sequitors (which are in the box set you're talking about) do have more female models, approx. 4 in every 10 or so.

The previews for the next wave of stormcast with spears did have a 50:50 ratio of male and female stormcast, and I'm personally hoping that's the case when they eventually come out.

Ok, then I guess I'll just have to pass on the boxed set, but I can still get the rules and the book for another race and be happy in the meantime.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

biggest attractors was that the Storm cast eternals can be modeled as female, but on the GW pages, all I see are dude models with female heads. Is there like new sprus coming to allow me to make them like the figure on the Core Rule book?

You need to look closer. Female Stormcast are not just female heads on dude bodies, the female Stormcast bodies and helmets are also different. They are less chunky and usually have a different breastplate. Soul Wars starter set has only four female models, but the individual kits (including Easy-to-build models) have more.

If you are interested in Stormcast, I recommend waiting for 3rd edition launch set reveal in ten days.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Skaven are a relatively old 2e book though, so I would expect their 3e book to be one of the early ish books to be replaced.

According to this list from Lexicanum, there's five older second edition battletomes (Stormcast Eternals, Nighthaunt, Beasts of Chaos, Gloomspite Gitz and Flesh-eater Courts). Add to that there's first edition battletomes still in use (Maggotkin of Nurgle and Idoneth Deepkin) and the new Destruction army from the third edition starter that the Skaven battletome may be further off than one may think.

Also for gw age of book is little concern. See how lumineth got new book 10 months after intended launch or sisters of battle, last 8e book, gets 9e book early. Without even needing one and way before books that really need one first(eldar, csm, tau for example)

GW seems to only do that when dropping a 'new' army (i.e., a totally new army like Lumineth Realm-lords or an army which hasn't been a playable army for some time like Adepta Sororitas). So while we may see that occur for the new Destruction army, it's most likely we won't see any really recent battletomes get updated in the near future (Lumineth may get one but I wouldn't expect it until next year at the earliest).

Note however that older battletomes that are roughly the same age as Skaven (e.g., Fyreslayers or Cities of Sigmar) may be updated first.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So one of my friends just volunteered to go in with me on their starter pack, of the Golden dudes vs the scary looking ghost people.

Welcome to AoS.

Things you should know:

1) We are on the very cusp of a new edition. 3e has been announced. Bitz of it have been teased & leaked. Pics of the book cover & some of the new models for the Stormcast have been shown. More details to come next week....

2) We do not have the exact release date for 3rd - yet. But it is very very near.

3) Yes, the book set up to play this game is the same as 40k. A main rulebook followed by army books (called Battletomes here in AoS).
Cheaper, sometimes even free, copies of the Core Rules exist - but, like how the free versions of 40k leave out the army building formats & missions, etc? So to with the AoS versions. Making them of limited use. Get the actual Rule Book.

4) Stormcast are one of the armies in the upcoming starter box. They have a bunch of pretty new models coming. So, by default, their Codex (remember, called a Battletome here in AoS) will be one of the initial releases (well, 99.99999% positive on that)

5) Wich means.... If you get a current Rule Book & Stormcast codex today? Do so as cheaply as possible because in the very very very near future new version of both books will arrive.
I am not a proponent of the Dakka mentality of "wait....". But once in a while, now for example, that really IS the answer as it'd just be foolish to spend the same $ twice in about a two month period.

6) There are no actually bad armies in AoS. There's of course ways to build armies poorly. And there's certainly ways to make some arguably broken stuff if that's what you desire.....

7) If you're looking to cross your wargaming & D&D minis-wise? Sigmar has you well covered with the various Chaos & Destruction armies in particular.

ccs wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So one of my friends just volunteered to go in with me on their starter pack, of the Golden dudes vs the scary looking ghost people.

Welcome to AoS.

Things you should know:

1) We are on the very cusp of a new edition. 3e has been announced. Bitz of it have been teased & leaked. Pics of the book cover & some of the new models for the Stormcast have been shown. More details to come next week....

2) We do not have the exact release date for 3rd - yet. But it is very very near.

3) Yes, the book set up to play this game is the same as 40k. A main rulebook followed by army books (called Battletomes here in AoS).
Cheaper, sometimes even free, copies of the Core Rules exist - but, like how the free versions of 40k leave out the army building formats & missions, etc? So to with the AoS versions. Making them of limited use. Get the actual Rule Book.

4) Stormcast are one of the armies in the upcoming starter box. They have a bunch of pretty new models coming. So, by default, their Codex (remember, called a Battletome here in AoS) will be one of the initial releases (well, 99.99999% positive on that)

5) Wich means.... If you get a current Rule Book & Stormcast codex today? Do so as cheaply as possible because in the very very very near future new version of both books will arrive.
I am not a proponent of the Dakka mentality of "wait....". But once in a while, now for example, that really IS the answer as it'd just be foolish to spend the same $ twice in about a two month period.

6) There are no actually bad armies in AoS. There's of course ways to build armies poorly. And there's certainly ways to make some arguably broken stuff if that's what you desire.....

7) If you're looking to cross your wargaming & D&D minis-wise? Sigmar has you well covered with the various Chaos & Destruction armies in particular.

Thank you for taking the time to write this! It was very helpful and helped move me in the right direction!

To add to CCS' excellent post, I would say now is a perfectly good time to get a few different model kits, assemble them, paint them, and figure out what factions you like the look of. No one army is going to cover all the RPG territory anyways so no matter which direction you end up going the figures will have RPG use at least.

As someone with experience in recommending GW figures to RPG players here are some good kits from AoS;
-Freeguild Guard. Human troops with several weapon options, rather self-explanatory. The musician and champion bits are actually good for making RPG characters too.
-Sylvaneth Dryads. Basic treeple, the kit is old but has aged very well and works in RPGs for various day, elemental, and haunted forest foes.
-Ungors. Basic Beastmen that can also work as satyrs or equivalents.
-Skaven Clanrats. If there are rat-people there are a lot of rat people, and Warhammer is no exception! Another kit that is older (read: cheaper) but aged well.
-Bloodreavers or Kairic Acolytes. A bit more niche due to their unique aesthetics, but these are newer kits that really show how nice GW plastics look and work great for populating a major story arc involving barbarians, cultists, or barbarian cultists.
-Ogor Gluttons. These are in my opinion the best way to get multiple ogre models for rpgs with different equipment options, I use them independent of AoS because of that.
-Troggoths. The Warhammer term for troll, both kits serve well in an RPG capacity. The stone trolls in particular have a lot of personality and a ton of different pose options.
-Undead. Too many to list, encompassing multiple choices for zombies, skeletons, ghouls, and ghosts. Bar Ossiarch Bonereapers who have a very specific look, most of the GW undead translate quite well to RPGs. I have tapped multiple kits for that purpose despite not playing undead in AoS at all.

Now is only a bad time to buy the core rulebook, because that's about to get replaced.

As is, there's a ton of fantastic models, new factions, and lots more stuff on the way. The rules are about to be sharpened up.

Get what you think looks cool. More than in 40k, rule of cool can actually win you games.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

-Undead. Too many to list, encompassing multiple choices for zombies, skeletons, ghouls, and ghosts. Bar Ossiarch Bonereapers who have a very specific look, most of the GW undead translate quite well to RPGs. I have tapped multiple kits for that purpose despite not playing undead in AoS at all.

You can see a Mortisan Soulreaper in a D&D game at 40 seconds into the following video...


.. so really anything could possibly be used depending on the setting.

Of course. I was simply listing out what are, in my experience, kits that have broad use. Given that AoS has an RPG itself even the most obscure models have a place, and that is before getting into customized settings!

I was also just doing actual units rather than looking at character or monster sculpts.

Really I just thought it was kind of neat seeing the Hollywood D&D nerds using Games Workshop miniatures

It is a pretty bad time tbh. New edition around the corner, a bevy of half arsed codexes and woeful internal balance.

If you're after models and painting AoS is a cut above just about everything else on the market but the game is at its weakest point since the original general's handbook in 2016.

So really weird thing is I can't buy a start collecting box AND get the rules in the same buy, I don't have that kinda pocket change, so I think I want to go with models over rules for now.

Let me explain a few things off the bat.

1. I am not duncan rhoads, nor can I paint like him. I'm a step above dunking the model into a vat of paint, good.

2. Larger less intricate models are less intimidating, and less likely to get left on the shelf of unpainted shame. Right now I'm painting Custodes, and I wish I'd started there, they are about 1 billion times easier than the Guard or Sisters I started with. Bullgryns were fun, not too complicated. Scions were the hardest to put together.

3. Please no resin models. Had too many models fall to their doom and there goes my spending money for the month.

4. Models that allow me diversity with paint schemes. The thing that appealed to me about the lizard people was I could make their shields or dinos all different colors.

5, Fluff is not as important for me in this game as it was in 40k, where I based all my picks off what I felt was cool thematically. in AoS I just want to have fun and play toy soldiers.

6. Are some of the start collecting boxes 10-15 dollars more than the others? Maybe it was just Amazon but some of the SC boxes were wildly different in price?

Well there is a limited run box set out now that is three dinosaurs in one box...

jullevi wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

biggest attractors was that the Storm cast eternals can be modeled as female, but on the GW pages, all I see are dude models with female heads. Is there like new sprus coming to allow me to make them like the figure on the Core Rule book?

You need to look closer. Female Stormcast are not just female heads on dude bodies, the female Stormcast bodies and helmets are also different. They are less chunky and usually have a different breastplate. Soul Wars starter set has only four female models, but the individual kits (including Easy-to-build models) have more.

If you are interested in Stormcast, I recommend waiting for 3rd edition launch set reveal in ten days.

He's talking about liberator models. Those are literally male bodies with female add on heads. Female bodies didn't appear until AOS2 aka well after liberator models which have(and never will be likely) resculpted.

Definitely not a bad time to get into the hobby, lots of cool models and you can always putter away at something while waiting for the new edition to come out in a month or so. We'll know the contents of the new starter box in a couple of weeks, but the game isn't going to drastically change.

Just so I understand, do we have a name for the new boxed set? Because I see Piety and Pain, and am not sure that's it. There are several boxed sets for sale on the GW webstore, but I can't tell which is old, and which is new.

We know nothing concrete beyond 3.0 is coming.