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So this just sneaked in with the AoS pre-orders: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/23/sunday-preview-the-mortal-realms-quake-beneath-the-tread-of-kragnos/

"The ultimate companion to fighting Warhammer 40,000 matched play battles, Chapter Approved is back with a new Grand Tournament Mission Pack and a range-wide list of updated points values for the units and wargear of every faction in the Munitorum Field Manual. It’s an absolute no-brainer for fans of matched play – especially if you regularly attend or organise tournaments."

That came totally out of the blue for me. Will be interesting to see the points values for the Sisters and Orks, because those might reflect the points in the new codex. I'm curious to know whether it's a full on 'balance patch' or just a rehash with the latest points updates from FAQs etc. with perhaps a minor tweak or correction here and there.
   
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Well, this is an automatic buy for me. I'm interested in seeing what updates the secondary objectives will be.

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That came totally out of the blue for me. Will be interesting to see the points values for the Sisters and Orks, because those might reflect the points in the new codex. I'm curious to know whether it's a full on 'balance patch' or just a rehash with the latest points updates from FAQs etc. with perhaps a minor tweak or correction here and there.


I don't know why anyone would buy this with both of those codexes right around the corner.

For me, this is nothing but another churn product, and seeing this release makes me really glad that I haven't spent any money on anything 9e so far. As a filthy casual who even in non-pandemic times plays 40K once in a blue moon, I'm done buying these kinds of updates.
   
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At least wait to see how horrifically borked it is before considering throwing cash at GW.
   
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50pt/model Aberrants, here we go
   
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Are these actually _new_ points, or is it just the printed form of the current download?

I seriously can't tell what they're doing anymore.

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 Mr. Grey wrote:
That came totally out of the blue for me. Will be interesting to see the points values for the Sisters and Orks, because those might reflect the points in the new codex. I'm curious to know whether it's a full on 'balance patch' or just a rehash with the latest points updates from FAQs etc. with perhaps a minor tweak or correction here and there.


I don't know why anyone would buy this with both of those codexes right around the corner.

For me, this is nothing but another churn product, and seeing this release makes me really glad that I haven't spent any money on anything 9e so far. As a filthy casual who even in non-pandemic times plays 40K once in a blue moon, I'm done buying these kinds of updates.

Missions and secondaries are the reason. In tournament play (and matched play at the club done in preparation for tournaments), these are the only missions that are used.
I can leave the BRB at home as the booklet has all the core rules printed in a small format which works wonders to quickly reference rules during a game.
The points update is also nice, but you can always rely on the battlescribe update for that.

Best product they've put out in years, said from someone who usually criticizes GW to no end.


EDIT: @Voss, new points as it's the MKII version.

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will just wait for the online reviews and write in the other ones. Sick of spending on this crap when most people are not even playing much right now.
   
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Definitely not buying this. I don’t need points since I have the app. I’ll read reviews about the mission pack.

Here’s hoping points cuts for several vehicles.
   
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Can't wait to see what points values revert back to the values from the book before the one before this, 'cause GW can't into editing.

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 Aenar wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
That came totally out of the blue for me. Will be interesting to see the points values for the Sisters and Orks, because those might reflect the points in the new codex. I'm curious to know whether it's a full on 'balance patch' or just a rehash with the latest points updates from FAQs etc. with perhaps a minor tweak or correction here and there.


I don't know why anyone would buy this with both of those codexes right around the corner.

For me, this is nothing but another churn product, and seeing this release makes me really glad that I haven't spent any money on anything 9e so far. As a filthy casual who even in non-pandemic times plays 40K once in a blue moon, I'm done buying these kinds of updates.

Missions and secondaries are the reason. In tournament play (and matched play at the club done in preparation for tournaments), these are the only missions that are used.
I can leave the BRB at home as the booklet has all the core rules printed in a small format which works wonders to quickly reference rules during a game.
The points update is also nice, but you can always rely on the battlescribe update for that.

Best product they've put out in years, said from someone who usually criticizes GW to no end.


EDIT: @Voss, new points as it's the MKII version.


Sounds like a hard pass from me - I don't ever play in tournaments anyway.
   
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Doesn't sound like there's anything useful in there for me. New missions for the style of play I usually try to avoid. But I guess for people like me they did the crusade mission pack, that's highly overpriced unfortunately.
   
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The first set was abysmal, so I'm really surprised they're keeping the same format.

Avoiding like the plague.
   
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And we are back again at GW demanding money for a balance patch...

Shame, they could've released the pts atleast free off charge...

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I don't do Matched Play, so there's nothing here for me. Unfortunate as compared to AoS where the equivalent (General's Handbook) has loads of content for things other than Matched Play. Any tournament will include the relevant rules in their pack anyways, for that matter.

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The GT Missions pack has been my most utilized book for 9th edition, so this will be an auto buy.

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This is an autobuy for me as well.

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 Mr. Grey wrote:
That came totally out of the blue for me. Will be interesting to see the points values for the Sisters and Orks, because those might reflect the points in the new codex. I'm curious to know whether it's a full on 'balance patch' or just a rehash with the latest points updates from FAQs etc. with perhaps a minor tweak or correction here and there.


I don't know why anyone would buy this with both of those codexes right around the corner.

For me, this is nothing but another churn product, and seeing this release makes me really glad that I haven't spent any money on anything 9e so far. As a filthy casual who even in non-pandemic times plays 40K once in a blue moon, I'm done buying these kinds of updates.


The point values isn't what you buy. It's the scenarios that will be defacto game mode from now. Without those you are limited on opponents as assumpion will be those.

(also on bonus side this is lot easier to carry than the big brick so there's that. Also secondaries on big brick are even worse)

I have paid maybe half an euro per game from last book. That much i can afford just to not have to carry the big brick.

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 bullyboy wrote:
will just wait for the online reviews and write in the other ones. Sick of spending on this crap when most people are not even playing much right now.


Depends where you live. Not every country screwed up.

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 bullyboy wrote:
will just wait for the online reviews and write in the other ones. Sick of spending on this crap when most people are not even playing much right now.


A lot of countries never had severe lockdowns and had ton of games.

I am personally very excited to see the new missions and secondaries. Also many armies need point adjustments. So an autobuy for me.

I would also add that these books are more aimed at tourney goers and competitive players so if people are more into narrative/casual gaming this book combo isn't necessary.

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New secondaries alone could shake up the game more than any points balance.

Armies like Necron aren't inherently worse than Drukhari... they're worse at playing the current missions and secondaries. Creating new secondaries that reward different approaches to battle will do a lot of good.

Some armies just have obvious picks that are functionally free points, which causes serious issues.

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Not sure how you can design a mission or secondary that would be bad for current Drukhari though lol. They are killy, darklances are scary, and they are so mobile.
   
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Eldenfirefly wrote:
Not sure how you can design a mission or secondary that would be bad for current Drukhari though lol. They are killy, darklances are scary, and they are so mobile.


Not saying this will be the case, but they could give each faction another/more specific secondaries. To continue my Necron example, what if they had one akin to "1vp for every five models returned via reanimation protocol". It wouldn't be broken, but it would wildly more relevant than the garbage ones that they received in their book (minus Code of Combat which is OK).

The issue is, things like Oath of the Moment, or the Ravenwing one, are just giving away points for how said army already needs to play.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Eldenfirefly wrote:
Not sure how you can design a mission or secondary that would be bad for current Drukhari though lol. They are killy, darklances are scary, and they are so mobile.


Not saying this will be the case, but they could give each faction another/more specific secondaries. To continue my Necron example, what if they had one akin to "1vp for every five models returned via reanimation protocol". It wouldn't be broken, but it would wildly more relevant than the garbage ones that they received in their book (minus Code of Combat which is OK).

The issue is, things like Oath of the Moment, or the Ravenwing one, are just giving away points for how said army already needs to play.


GT pack won't likely be including any faction specific ones. Were those on cards last one would have had. These will be generic ones.

Nor is this going to be errata to old books. Those will be either in errata or in new version of codex on sale.

oh and for people who are complaining...do you think GW should have scrapped this entirely? This was well on works/ready around last summer.

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So are the points in the WD chapbook from 2 months ago already outdated? The Chapter Approved Munitoroum Field Manual 2021 Mk1?

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 FrothingMuppet wrote:
So are the points in the WD chapbook from 2 months ago already outdated? The Chapter Approved Munitoroum Field Manual 2021 Mk1?


They were already a re-print of the points that were released online at the start of the year, so it would be about 6 months since the last update.
   
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Some more info out.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/25/your-matched-play-games-are-about-to-get-a-lot-more-competitive-heres-how/

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I don't do Matched Play, so there's nothing here for me. Unfortunate as compared to AoS where the equivalent (General's Handbook) has loads of content for things other than Matched Play. Any tournament will include the relevant rules in their pack anyways, for that matter.


Agreed.

Nothing wrong with tournament play in 40K but its all we seem to hear about these days. Meanwhile AoS is exploring more options such as sky battles, creating a custom hero and coop/solo play. Even when Warcry wasn't around AoS still had a skirmish companion.

Its a shame because 40K has as much to offer.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Nothing wrong with tournament play in 40K but its all we seem to hear about these days. Meanwhile AoS is exploring more options such as sky battles, creating a custom hero and coop/solo play. Even when Warcry wasn't around AoS still had a skirmish companion.


I just wish GW would maintain and support properly their skirmish options. They have kinda squeezed the life out of Kill Team by locking Primaris and Necron datasheets in a box, and Warcry went the way of the dodo with the new army books that divided all the warcry cards between the 4 books along with a separate Tome of Champions.

GW has no interest in supporting a skirmish level game, which is a shame. Even those who championed these systems locally have given up on the systems.

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50pt/model Aberrants, here we go


Please, we all know it's going to be a RETURN of the 55 pt Neophyte, because someone will just copy and past the original excel sheet from the last time, and no one updated anything listed there once they FAQ'd it.

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 Eldarsif wrote:

I just wish GW would maintain and support properly their skirmish options. They have kinda squeezed the life out of Kill Team by locking Primaris and Necron datasheets in a box, and Warcry went the way of the dodo with the new army books that divided all the warcry cards between the 4 books along with a separate Tome of Champions.

GW has no interest in supporting a skirmish level game, which is a shame. Even those who championed these systems locally have given up on the systems.


Warcry seems to be the better favoured of the two, with better support including models. It has been a little quiet lately, to be honest.

I still enjoy Kill Team but not beyond the core manual and using Blackstone Fortress for confined area games. GW said there was an "evolution" on the way, so hopefully we'll be moving onto a better supported edition sooner rather than later...

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
 
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