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I am thinking of picking up the rules for Legends of the 5 Rings. I do not need the "newest" edition, but I do want the best edition.

I played 3rd edition before and I enjoyed it, but is there a preferred edition for the fanbase?

Let me know.... like..... your opinions man.

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 Easy E wrote:
I am thinking of picking up the rules for Legends of the 5 Rings. I do not need the "newest" edition, but I do want the best edition.

I played 3rd edition before and I enjoyed it, but is there a preferred edition for the fanbase?

Let me know.... like..... your opinions man.
I've only played the original L5R RPG, which sets my preference. Also, since I own about 75% of what was published for it, that confirms it, as that investment is not likely set aside.

However, if you can get the 4th ed. Imperial Histories books at a good price, they are a good source for campaign and adventure ideas. My recommendation is Imperial Histories 2, as it covers parts of Rokugan's history that were not covered in the CCG, as well as having a couple of alternate history Rokugans, for example, "The Togashi Dynasty". The first Imperial Histories volumes was less interesting to me, as it covered material I was familiar with from playing the CCG. [Admittedly, things are fleshed out in greater detail for RPG purposes.]

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Gonna go out on a limb here, but there's a version of L5R for 3.0 edition Dungeons and Dragons. My gaming group played both it and first edition L5R and found the D&D version superior. You'll need the 3.0 version of Oriental Adventures, as Rokugan is a setting for that expansion.

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4th edition is generally considered the best. If you're looking to make physical purchases, it can take a bit of effort to hunt down, but worth getting for sure.
   
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dream archipelago wrote:
4th edition is generally considered the best. If you're looking to make physical purchases, it can take a bit of effort to hunt down, but worth getting for sure.
What makes it the best?

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
dream archipelago wrote:
4th edition is generally considered the best. If you're looking to make physical purchases, it can take a bit of effort to hunt down, but worth getting for sure.
What makes it the best?


It allows you to crush your enemies, see them driven at full movement before you, and to hear the lamentations of their GM.

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Thanks all. I will try to track down some 4th edition rulebooks.

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
dream archipelago wrote:
4th edition is generally considered the best. If you're looking to make physical purchases, it can take a bit of effort to hunt down, but worth getting for sure.
What makes it the best?


4th edition is the best iteration of the original Roll & Keep system. It tones down the extraneous and ubicuous modifiers of 3rd at the same time that it keeps all the subsystems while adding reasons to improve your skills instead of just pumping up your attributes. It has also the most complete core rulebook of all the editions.

That said, I'm liking 5th edition a lot myself, and gaming desing wise it is a much tighter game with an actual focus on emulating the chanbara and jidaigeki genres. It also allows much more variance between characters of the same school/clan, which makes single clan campaigns much more viable and interesting. System wise it tends to be more "narrative" than the original R&K and the setting itself is a rebooted and "down to earth"ed version of the original from AEG. I like it very much, even though as it is a first edition (fifth edition of the game, but first of this new system) it's not as polished as 4th.

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I have only really played 2nd edition, and loved it. I know most of the L5R community crapped all over it, but I had good time. I liked how the system rewarded having actually very good skill in stead just investing in Rings.
It was obvious though, that the rules had not been updated for so large change in core mechanic and we had to house rule the starting characters bit more powerful.
Also, I think early editions setting was the best. Got bit too wild for my tastes later.

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I have only played 4th edition and I loved it so much that I went on to collect the entire product line. Indeed, despite the beautiful art FFG has produced for their take on the property, I have not bought any 5th edition products simply because 4th is so good.

FWIW FFG re-envisioned the setting to some degree for the purpose of their LCG meta-narrative but don’t let that put you off; it is in general the same beloved Rokugan.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
I have only played 4th edition and I loved it so much that I went on to collect the entire product line. Indeed, despite the beautiful art FFG has produced for their take on the property, I have not bought any 5th edition products simply because 4th is so good.

FWIW FFG re-envisioned the setting to some degree for the purpose of their LCG meta-narrative but don’t let that put you off; it is in general the same beloved Rokugan.

It is a reboot, yes, but the changes before the start are really minimal, and the changes after it are done to lean more on the chanbara/jidaigeki genre and the human matters instead of on the "apocalyptic struggle of the week" that AEG's CCG timeline imposed.

Which honestly, it's really, really good for the RPG.

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I followed the FFG L5R storyline super closely and edited a “library” of the fiction so other fans could navigate which characters showed up in which stories, etc. Unfortunately, all that effort was lost when Asmodee nuked the FFG forums.

FWIW, I really liked the FFG L5R storyline.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
I followed the FFG L5R storyline super closely and edited a “library” of the fiction so other fans could navigate which characters showed up in which stories, etc. Unfortunately, all that effort was lost when Asmodee nuked the FFG forums.

FWIW, I really liked the FFG L5R storyline.


I have it all, but mostly the translated versions I worked on. I also compiled them all in a single ebook ordered by publication date for ease of use.

For the english versions, I think you can still go here:

https://imperialadvisor.com/the-l5r-story/

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Just to follow up on this thread. I located, purchased, and am reading the 3rd edition rule book.

Now, I just need to convince my group to give it a go.

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 Easy E wrote:
Just to follow up on this thread. I located, purchased, and am reading the 3rd edition rule book.

Now, I just need to convince my group to give it a go.


Have to admit that 3rd edition is not my favorite one (I had to fix a whole damn lot of things on the translation) but I really hope you like it
   
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My update for thus thread: collected the complete 5th edition line from FFG ...


   
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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
domo arigato, Albertorius-san.

"Why did you sting me?! Now we will both die!" cried the Frog.
"Ah, but Frog-san, I can swim." replied the Scorpion

-The Scorpion Clan's ending to The Tale of the Frog and the Scorpion


Loved that then and now !

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Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?
Sales. You can tell that the end was being dropped suddenly by how the quality and quantity of the stories near the end just outright dropped as they were paying little per word to wrap things up along with how many plot points remained.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?
Sales. You can tell that the end was being dropped suddenly by how the quality and quantity of the stories near the end just outright dropped as they were paying little per word to wrap things up along with how many plot points remained.


...kinda. The plague and the subsequent death of the kotei scene had a lot to do with it... but it was coupled with the fact that the game is very involved, meaning games tend to last longer, meaning it was ill suited (or at least, not as suited) as other, faster games from the get go.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?
Sales. You can tell that the end was being dropped suddenly by how the quality and quantity of the stories near the end just outright dropped as they were paying little per word to wrap things up along with how many plot points remained.


...kinda. The plague and the subsequent death of the kotei scene had a lot to do with it... but it was coupled with the fact that the game is very involved, meaning games tend to last longer, meaning it was ill suited (or at least, not as suited) as other, faster games from the get go.
They were attempting to try and fix it with the various new modes beforehand, but there were some fundamental flaws with the gameplay that from the start had issues throughout the entire gameplay cycle. The game was losing players overtime even before the Kotei scene was pushed out thanks to Corvid.

Feels like some things would have been changed had there been a Core2.0 edition, but we will never really know since we never got to that point.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?
Sales. You can tell that the end was being dropped suddenly by how the quality and quantity of the stories near the end just outright dropped as they were paying little per word to wrap things up along with how many plot points remained.


...kinda. The plague and the subsequent death of the kotei scene had a lot to do with it... but it was coupled with the fact that the game is very involved, meaning games tend to last longer, meaning it was ill suited (or at least, not as suited) as other, faster games from the get go.
They were attempting to try and fix it with the various new modes beforehand, but there were some fundamental flaws with the gameplay that from the start had issues throughout the entire gameplay cycle. The game was losing players overtime even before the Kotei scene was pushed out thanks to Corvid.

Feels like some things would have been changed had there been a Core2.0 edition, but we will never really know since we never got to that point.

Yeah, as I said it was not well suited for the current tournament scene from the very start, but the various Covid lockdowns killed it dead even here in Spain which has always been something of a stronghold (our koteis regularly had multiple times as many players as the main US ones).

As to the rest, well, never say never. Now that L5R is a FFG's IP, they will be using it whenever they can, same as they do with Terrinoth... and probably in much the same way (meaning, throwing stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks).

I'm personally not a card games guy, so it doesn't affect me that much, but I'm interested on playing some coop games using the Fu Leng expansion. The good thing now is I have a closed game, so I won't need to go searching for more stuff.

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I am really hoping to hear about some new L5R directions when GenCon eventually happens.

   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Slight derail

I didn't follow the newer LCG (as hobby money can only cover so much) but from the odd fiction I've read seems it wrapped up after a version of the Scorpion coup, bit of an odd point to stop, was it sales or always the plan ?
Sales. You can tell that the end was being dropped suddenly by how the quality and quantity of the stories near the end just outright dropped as they were paying little per word to wrap things up along with how many plot points remained.


...kinda. The plague and the subsequent death of the kotei scene had a lot to do with it... but it was coupled with the fact that the game is very involved, meaning games tend to last longer, meaning it was ill suited (or at least, not as suited) as other, faster games from the get go.
They were attempting to try and fix it with the various new modes beforehand, but there were some fundamental flaws with the gameplay that from the start had issues throughout the entire gameplay cycle. The game was losing players overtime even before the Kotei scene was pushed out thanks to Corvid.

Feels like some things would have been changed had there been a Core2.0 edition, but we will never really know since we never got to that point.

Yeah, as I said it was not well suited for the current tournament scene from the very start, but the various Covid lockdowns killed it dead even here in Spain which has always been something of a stronghold (our koteis regularly had multiple times as many players as the main US ones).

As to the rest, well, never say never. Now that L5R is a FFG's IP, they will be using it whenever they can, same as they do with Terrinoth... and probably in much the same way (meaning, throwing stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks).

I'm personally not a card games guy, so it doesn't affect me that much, but I'm interested on playing some coop games using the Fu Leng expansion. The good thing now is I have a closed game, so I won't need to go searching for more stuff.
I'm a little more worried since we've only seen board game from them that wasn't the LCG and it wasn't much from what I remember. I'm surprised they haven't been using it for more things before then aside from the RPG (which while not my favorite edition has been well supported)

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I'm a little more worried since we've only seen board game from them that wasn't the LCG and it wasn't much from what I remember. I'm surprised they haven't been using it for more things before then aside from the RPG (which while not my favorite edition has been well supported)

The boardgame was "simple" and cheap, but it's a great little game, very much worth it.

I'm... afraid I can't say more ^^.

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Well, one question that I doubt is under NDA and just a matter of me failing to pay sufficient attention: is the current edition of L5R going continue to be supported through a different company like Genesys?

   
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 Manchu wrote:
Well, one question that I doubt is under NDA and just a matter of me failing to pay sufficient attention: is the current edition of L5R going continue to be supported through a different company like Genesys?


Yes, it's currently under Edge Studio with all the other RPG lines, including Genesys, same way as all the minis games have been moved to AMG (all still under Asmodee, but apparently they wanted the companies to be more separate).

Current book in development is Writ of the Wilds.

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Great, well my 5th edition collection is complete so far, as of now. Looking forward to seeing what else is produced!

   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I'm a little more worried since we've only seen board game from them that wasn't the LCG and it wasn't much from what I remember. I'm surprised they haven't been using it for more things before then aside from the RPG (which while not my favorite edition has been well supported)

The boardgame was "simple" and cheap, but it's a great little game, very much worth it.

I'm... afraid I can't say more ^^.
It wasn't bad, but I'm more surprised they haven't done anymore. Rokugan has so many aspects you could turn into little games.
   
 
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