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https://youtu.be/KEO5VBo6R4w

As a hammer head, i can't help thinking that sites like this must be pretty common on a lot of imperial worlds. Wonder where all those 'mutants" come from? Well here's a good possibility. I can almost see papa nurgle waddling around bestowing his "gifts" on nearby locals.

Between the radiation helping create new mutant black fungus and mushrooms that feed on the radiation and are the only known things that live anywhere near it unprotected. and seeing how horribly the russian oligarchs treated workers at the place, like giving troops a choice of being sent to the Afghanistan theater of war for 2 years or working at the chernobyl site for 2 minutes (Yes) (Most of those who chose the two minutes died within a few years) and sending a man down on a rope to take a picture that literally killed him, I swear that the chernobyl zone is almost like a little piece of the 40k imperium right here on earth.

I'm beginning to wonder when the warp gate will finally open.


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Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Nothing to see here, water leaks in, neutrons spike. Happens on Tuesdays.

Chernobyl is a long term concern that should not be neglected, and it isn't.

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I visited the zone a few years back. Yes the town itself is a ghost town as we've seen in media, but the site around the reactor itself is buzzing with hundreds of engineers monitoring the site. It looks no different than your standard building site.

As Orlanth said, nothing out of the ordinary. Now the NSC is over the site, anything that is out of the ordinary shouldn't be too much of a threat.
   
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Bristol (UK)

The chernobyl miniseries prompted me to research a little more, and the situation wasn't quite as bad as is often believed.
It's definitely true that the Soviet priority was cover-up and the response was carried a long way by the ignorance resulting, but they weren't callously discarding life.

The death rate of the 'bio-robots' is unknown as they didn't keep records. Estimates vary wildly, largely because they're based on almost no evidence at all so the primary basis behind the numbers is politics.
   
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Well, the fact that they claim not to have kept a record of the death toll of the workers tells me it was so bad they didn't want it out, so i say go with the highest possible estimates, it's their fault for not releasing a verifiable number.

it's like police abuse cases, when the cops cam isn't on, "malfunctions" or the footage is lost, i assume the cop was guilty and covering it up.

As to the rest, I have to admit i was pretty amazed they they build what amounted to a quonset hut big enough to cover the stature of liberty and slid that thing on rails to cover the building. I mean, yeah, that's pretty impressive.





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I don't think it's unreasonable that they didn't keep close tabs on almost 4000 workers that dipped in for less than two minutes each.

I read an interview with one of the guys that worked it, aged 65 he said about 33% of his old comrades had died, some from cancer, others from stuff like suicide. How much of that is a result of the radiation? We simply cannot know.

For the record, he also wasn't threatened with serving in Afghan either. He was just assigned to the liquidator teams, initially washing down houses, then got assigned to the roof as one last job before he got to go home.
No one told him how dangerous it was, just that it had to be done. They took many precautions though; each man had a set of 'armour' that would be worn once and discarded.
   
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There's a political element to not keeping the record, but part of it also has to do with the fact that it was impossible (at least at the time) to distinguish radiation-induced cancer from other factors. I'm not going to go into the whole rabbithole of cops, but I think it's rather naïve to attribute every single death to the accident.
   
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Bodt

Chernobyl isn't the only nuclear disaster from the Soviet Union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

They also managed to leave the Aral sea a cancer storm causing wasteland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

And leave a bioweapons factory full of weaponized anthrax in the middle of it...
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170926-the-deadly-germ-warfare-island-abandoned-by-the-soviets

And tested nuclear weapons on their own citizens.
https://youtu.be/bByJdUw8KtE



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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Chernobyl isn't the only nuclear disaster from the Soviet Union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

They also managed to leave the Aral sea a cancer storm causing wasteland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

And leave a bioweapons factory full of weaponized anthrax in the middle of it...
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170926-the-deadly-germ-warfare-island-abandoned-by-the-soviets

And tested nuclear weapons on their own citizens.
https://youtu.be/bByJdUw8KtE




and left an exposed waste dump on top of a cliff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreev_Bay_nuclear_accident

and just dumped waste into a lake where even now some areas give a lethal dose in 30 mins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_Lake_Karachay

and left a heavily contaminated icebreaker to rot in port for close to 30 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_icebreaker#Infrastructure

and killed 5 technicians when their nuclear-powered, nuclear-tipped missile exploded on the pad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyonoksa_radiation_accident

The list goes on and on...

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The thing about chernobyl and other sites like it that makes me feel a little uneasy is that if a radioactive hellpit can create a new strain of fungus and mushrooms that can survive and even thrive in an area that would kill a human being in a matter of minutes, what else could they produce?

I mean yeah a 500 foot tall fire sprewing lizard immune to ordnance weapons is pretty unlikely, an annoying types like to remind us every time there's a new godzilla movie, but what about a relatively minor mutation is a microbe?

Recent events have shows us a microbe that changes just a little bit can be a more serious issue that a 400' tall gorilla ever could be.

I can't help thinking how many microbes get exposed to this sort of thing and maybe survive with a few changes.

Thankfully a virus isn't like to to emerge from chrenobyl as it's unlikely a higher form of life, that was mobile, could carry it in and out. But still, at times i can't help thinking about how this radiation could mutate other simple forms of life if it can produce the black fungus that's growing in the core now.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
The thing about chernobyl and other sites like it that makes me feel a little uneasy is that if a radioactive hellpit can create a new strain of fungus and mushrooms that can survive and even thrive in an area that would kill a human being in a matter of minutes, what else could they produce?



There are plenty of places with relatively high levels of background radiation due to natural deposits of uranium or other radioactive ores. Maybe not to ground zero Chernobyl levels, but they've been around for millions of years.

Those situations produce exactly the same thing as other extreme conditions - stuff that can survive in those conditions.

If you want to worry about stuff, the repeated Ebola outbreaks in the past decade are far, far, far more worrying than anything that might come out of Chernobyl.

   
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Bristol (UK)

A virus that evolves to thrive in high radioactive environments is unlikely to thrive in other environments.
Viruses, such as C19, are a problem when they're adapted to an environment reasonably close to their host (such as a fellow mammal, the bat) but not exactly. This leads to them being transmitted to our body environment, but then destroying it.

Radiation can cause other mutations. Radioactive gardening was all the rage in the 60s, look at all the pretty flowers! These mutations aren't inherently any different to a mutation that might occur naturally. Iirc some vibrantly coloured fruit was created by this method and continues to be popular today (but is farmed normally).
It's a bit analogous to dropping a bomb on a house, and searching for any bricks that fell into a beautiful sculpture. Despite being created by high explosives, the sculpture won't continue to explode itself.
   
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I would have to find some articles on the subject, but the US once used radiation for genetic modification. They would blast produce with radiation and breed anything that developed useful mutations. If my memory is correct, all they got from it was bigger sizes and some lovely new colors of grapefruit.

The most dangerous scenario I can think of is radiation accelerating the chances for a new strain of flu. Or edible strains of mushroom also learning to absorb radioactive materials and becoming toxic. Both seem unlikely.

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Yes, very appropriate material to inspire 40k. Interesting thread.

   
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 John Prins wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
The thing about chernobyl and other sites like it that makes me feel a little uneasy is that if a radioactive hellpit can create a new strain of fungus and mushrooms that can survive and even thrive in an area that would kill a human being in a matter of minutes, what else could they produce?



There are plenty of places with relatively high levels of background radiation due to natural deposits of uranium or other radioactive ores. Maybe not to ground zero Chernobyl levels, but they've been around for millions of years.

Those situations produce exactly the same thing as other extreme conditions - stuff that can survive in those conditions.

If you want to worry about stuff, the repeated Ebola outbreaks in the past decade are far, far, far more worrying than anything that might come out of Chernobyl.


Or the nails bacteria developing due to humans persistent abuse of anti biotics, especially those of the sexual variety.

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While i do worry avout bacteria ansd viruses, i think the evolution of another strain of dangerous organisms is the real menace to humanity today, and it has nothing to do with radiation.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans


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 Matt Swain wrote:
While i do worry avout bacteria ansd viruses, i think the evolution of another strain of dangerous organisms is the real menace to humanity today, and it has nothing to do with radiation.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans



Ah please, that strain has been around for ages!

Although, I will admit such a species is quite hazardous when found thriving in tumultuous environments. doesn't do well with change.

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To be honest I am a bit more more concerned with the Fukushima.

Some sources allege water has been constantly leaking into the sea... We know they released 1m Tonnes of pullted water (allegedly its been neutralised but somehow I don't buy that)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=fukushima&page=1

An image from while back allegedly showing the radiation leak was debunked by snopes.
So not really sure. At this point I trust any government or mainstream organisation as much as I'd trust a random bloke in a back alley with a kidney transplant.

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Agh, Dounreay has been leaking radioactive waste into the sea for decades and Scotland hasn’t been attacked by radioactive killer crab beasts yet… well, not that anyone has noticed at least.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dounreay

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Fukishima is basically a non-event. Its leaking into the biggest ocean in an area with very strong currents. The effect is so mild that it might as well not exist.

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I watched the HBO series so I'm something of an expert on Chernobyl and I think we are going to be fine.

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Didn't the US lose some A bombs somewhere close to spain?

Or am i missmembering..


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 Flinty wrote:
Agh, Dounreay has been leaking radioactive waste into the sea for decades and Scotland hasn’t been attacked by radioactive killer crab beasts yet… well, not that anyone has noticed at least.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dounreay


Certainly not anymore than usual.

Poor Crabs, so vulnerable to tactical deep fryers.

   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Didn't the US lose some A bombs somewhere close to spain?

Or am i missmembering..



That was a James Bond film or two, wasn’t it?

@Mad Dok - it’s a dangerous game to be both dangerous to humans and incredibly tasty.

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You’d think they’d figure out where the beachhead fry trenches are. But that’s just a testament to how effective those delicious defences are.

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 Flinty wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Didn't the US lose some A bombs somewhere close to spain?

Or am i missmembering..



That was a James Bond film or two, wasn’t it?

@Mad Dok - it’s a dangerous game to be both dangerous to humans and incredibly tasty.


They lost some bombs over Spain after a B52 crashed but recovered them after a lengthy search.

What's more worrying are the bombs lost in the Philippine Sea, or off the coast of Georgia, or over the Mediterranean.
   
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Or that time we accidentally dropped a nuke on South Carolina?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Mars_Bluff_B-47_nuclear_weapon_loss_incident#:~:text=The%201958%20Mars%20Bluff%20B,causing%20damage%20to%20buildings%20below.

It really makes you wonder what other bombs have been lost and covered up, or just not made public yet.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
The thing about chernobyl and other sites like it that makes me feel a little uneasy is that if a radioactive hellpit can create a new strain of fungus and mushrooms that can survive and even thrive in an area that would kill a human being in a matter of minutes, what else could they produce?

I mean yeah a 500 foot tall fire sprewing lizard immune to ordnance weapons is pretty unlikely, an annoying types like to remind us every time there's a new godzilla movie, but what about a relatively minor mutation is a microbe?

Recent events have shows us a microbe that changes just a little bit can be a more serious issue that a 400' tall gorilla ever could be.

I can't help thinking how many microbes get exposed to this sort of thing and maybe survive with a few changes.

Thankfully a virus isn't like to to emerge from chrenobyl as it's unlikely a higher form of life, that was mobile, could carry it in and out. But still, at times i can't help thinking about how this radiation could mutate other simple forms of life if it can produce the black fungus that's growing in the core now.


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 Gitzbitah wrote:

It really makes you wonder what other bombs have been lost and covered up, or just not made public yet.


I'm less concerned about the US, which actually admits when and how many have been lost, as opposed to Russia. Nobody knows how many they've lost.

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