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Hello folks. I'm looking to start 30k, as Emperor's children, and I wanted to ask what you would recommend to start. Most videos I can find suggest using a starter collection for EC that FW has discontinued releasing, so i'm asking around for the best way to start instead. I'm not looking for ultimate efficiency or anything, just enough to actually sit down and play as well as win every once in a while. So my questions in order are thus:

1) What to buy first to get a basic army on the table

2) Which books to buy, and which one is for EC specifically, and which one is basic rules/sheets.

3) Any particular models that will be stellar and must takes. (I know Contemptor Dreads and basic Tac squads are in this category)

4) Any particular models to avoid unless I Really like them.

Thanks a bunch all!
   
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra






Wait until the new box of plastic stuff comes out. It looks to be 30 Mk6 marines, a couple of heroes, a contemptor, 5 terminators and a Spartan tank.
As for rules again I'd wait til the new box comes out because it might signal a new wave of rulebooks.
   
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Dudley, UK

Did the Emperor's Children ever get access to MkVI?


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Everyone got access to all the armour by the time the Heresy rolled around and definitely post Drop Site Massacre ad the traitor Legions had all those corpses to loot.
The only armour that was limited was mk7 and that was only for Loyalist forces at the Siege.
   
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Atlanta, GA

Catulle wrote:
Did the Emperor's Children ever get access to MkVI?


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I saw someone point out that in space marine legions of upwards of 150,000 to 500,000 marines, it is highly unlikely that some squad, somewhere, at some point during the Heresy wouldn't have had access to Mk6 power armor. In other words, this new upcoming set is a great way to start an army, go for it.
   
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France

150,000 to 500,000 ? In my black books, the biggest legions are about 150,000, while most are around 100,00 - 120,000

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Well. Even then point stands. It won't be ANY issue.

Frankly there's enough justifications to have pretty much any mix. Every legion had everything so you can build totally bike mounted death guard and still fit fluff.

Armour pattern? Easy peasy.

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Well this is an interesting discussion

Thanks for the help guys! I was considering the new box set, whenever it comes out. Personally, I'd just explain it away as a group that, in their pursuit of perfection, went for the newest, most advanced armor they could get their hands on.
   
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Atlanta, GA

 godardc wrote:
150,000 to 500,000 ? On my black books, the biggest legions are about 150,000, while most are around 100,00 - 120,000


Ultramarines.
   
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Australia

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Well this is an interesting discussion

Thanks for the help guys! I was considering the new box set, whenever it comes out. Personally, I'd just explain it away as a group that, in their pursuit of perfection, went for the newest, most advanced armor they could get their hands on.


The black books talk about the Emperor's Children relishing being used as a hunter-killer force after Isstvan, tracking down and doing unspeakable things to loyalist survivors - as part of this process they had access to high-tech gear, so absolutely go for it. Old sketches of (40k) EC by Jes Goodwin also talk about them using Mk VI/more modern armour patterns because they're constantly raiding, something we can see begins in 30k, so it's totally appropriate

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Remember EC we’re the smallest legion due to their gene seed being poisoned. I think there were only a a few thousand
   
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The discovery of Fulgrim and the ascension of Fabius to Chief Apothecary, where he was able to cure the Legion's remaining and future gene-stock of the Blight, meant that by the outbreak of the Heresy the EC stood at roughly 100k strong.
The original background for the Heresy had the Legions far too small for the conflict to be as large as it was and recent publications have put much greater numbers at play. The Thousand Sons are routinely believed to have only been 1k Marines strong during the Crusade/Heresy and while they still are one of the smallest Legions, they now sit at around 85k before Prospero.
The Salamanders had a similar quirk where they never had any initial successors because they took too many casualties at the Drop Site Massacre but 10k years later they still haven't made any and the same reason was applied. AFAIK, this part of the lore stands as to why there were no 2nd Founding Salamanders successors and from then on it was either due to cultural or genetic stability concerns that their gene-seed wasn't used.

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Fair food, makes sense, otherwise there wouldn’t be enough marines for all those books
   
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Affton, MO. USA

The Mark VI armor I thought came out post Hersey , I could definitely be wrong as I don't own any of the FW books. I thought Mark IV was the newest thing at the outbreak of the Hersey as Dorn and his boys went to Mars and Liberated thousands of the suits before Mars fell. As for needing to take the suits off of dead marines at the dropsite massacre, Most of the loyalists had already been depleted of supplies by the time of the dropsite massacre as Horus had already made bargains with Mars to make sure "His" legions got full resupplies while the loyalists had supply issues. I know Iron Hands had a major issue with getting supplies in one of the BL books. TO me that would mean that the ones with better equipment were the traitors, and the spoils of war still would have been good for replacing older suit parts.

Good luck with your boys, I'm starting the preliminaries of an Imperial Fist army myself.

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Mk6 was tested by Legions like the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion who then had it produced in huge numbers for themselves. Add in the Dropsite Massacre and numerous Forgeworlds declaring for Horus and you have a ready-built reason for a Traitor force using it.
Loyalists would be a case of "oh no we're getting creamed, quickly use the test suits to bolster our forces".
I think mostly it's just a holdover from when all Astartes wore Mk6 back in ye' olden' dayes'. A lot of the images in Visions of Heresy have the Legions in Mk6.

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Atlanta, GA

 Gert wrote:
Mk6 was tested by Legions like the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion who then had it produced in huge numbers for themselves. Add in the Dropsite Massacre and numerous Forgeworlds declaring for Horus and you have a ready-built reason for a Traitor force using it.
Loyalists would be a case of "oh no we're getting creamed, quickly use the test suits to bolster our forces".
I think mostly it's just a holdover from when all Astartes wore Mk6 back in ye' olden' dayes'. A lot of the images in Visions of Heresy have the Legions in Mk6.


There are also illustration plates of both White Scars and Night Lords in Mk6 power armor in Malevolence and Crusade.
   
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Bristol (UK)

I'd like to coopt this thread as I want to ask a very similar question.

I'm being lent on by my group to start 30k, and I really want to oblige. Buuuut.... £££... oof.

I want to do an underground Calth themed Ultramarines force, battered and bruised and fighting that underground war.
Combined with the fact that I don't like the look of full Mk.VI armour much, I don't want to use those.

Is there any other way to start other than buying the squads individually? It's a real shame GW discontinued the Calth box.

Dare I ask if there are any good STLs for printing?
   
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Since Calth and Prospero got axed there really isn't a cheap way to start 30k. It's been the biggest gripe for ages.
Maybe look on eBay or sites like Troll Trader to see if you can grab some stuff cheaply.
Definitely use the 40k models for tanks and transports since Mars pattern gear was already common in the Legions by the Heresy. Deimos stuff and old pattern Land Raiders look really nice but you'll be paying way to much.
Don't underestimate the box Dreads either, a contemptor is a beautiful model (FW not GW) but the regular 40k Dreads can still be very nasty especially in Zone Mortalis.

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Bristol (UK)

I really don't like second hand, my own quality expectation/ability is beyond anything that you tend to find 2nd hand, particularly cheap second hand.
I've fallen for the allure of a discount several times and regretted it every time, ending up just buying the proper kit anyway.

Sad times. £60 for 5 power armoured models (Suzerain) from Forgeworld is just painful.

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*£65

Yeah, the whole "Heresy is dead" thing isn't true it's just that it is very hard to get into.

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Atlanta, GA

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I really don't like second hand, my own quality expectation/ability is beyond anything that you tend to find 2nd hand, particularly cheap second hand.
I've fallen for the allure of a discount several times and regretted it every time, ending up just buying the proper kit anyway.

Sad times. £60 for 5 power armoured models (Suzerain) from Forgeworld is just painful.



Suzerain are going to be more expensive just because they're a special unit for your Ultramarines. If you don't like the look of Mk6, you can always go with boxes of Mk3 or Mk4, and there's probably a discount retailer somewhere in the UK that carries them.
   
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Legion special units are always expensive and while you can dodge costs with some (Terror Squads, Iron Havocs) others are much harder to replicate. Most Legions can build a good army without even touching special units though.
   
 
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