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Its no secret that Astra-militarum need buffs, giving them a relic battlecannon would be sweet, it would incentivize people trying to keep their tank commander in the back field, vs using the 24" demolisher/punisher cannons. I also want the point difference to be a wider gap between tank-commanders and normal leman russes, I dont like the fluff of armies only having tank commanders, without having tanks to command.. its the basic too many chiefs not enough indians dilemma lore wise.
   
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They already have a relic Battle Cannon.
   
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They do but they cant be inside your list, unless your opponent or host agrees, they require a special detachment
   
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bat702 wrote:
Its no secret that Astra-militarum need buffs, giving them a relic battlecannon would be sweet, it would incentivize people trying to keep their tank commander in the back field, vs using the 24" demolisher/punisher cannons.

Pretty sure they already have that. Don't they also have the imperial equivalent of kustom jobs that are basically a relic/warlord trait type thing?


I also want the point difference to be a wider gap between tank-commanders and normal leman russes, I dont like the fluff of armies only having tank commanders, without having tanks to command.. its the basic too many chiefs not enough indians dilemma lore wise.

Well, you just pitched making tank commanders even more desirable than they currently are. So how do you propose going about creating that wider gap in a way that makes people want to take non-commander russes? Do you feel you can get away with a big price drop on russes without creating internal and external balance problems? Can you make tank commanders more expensive without creating balance problems? Would you straight up say that you can only have a max of 1 commander for every 2 russes in the army? Do you want to make non-commander russes better in some way so that people have a reason to field them as often or more often than commanders?


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I dont mind too much tank commanders being viable with no restrictions other then how many HQ slots you have, but perhaps the basic leman russ can be made more desirable via base point reduction, and also reduction of its sponson/hull weapons. like 10 point heavy bolter vs the now 15 on both variants (command and regular russes)
   
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bat702 wrote:
I dont mind too much tank commanders being viable with no restrictions other then how many HQ slots you have, but perhaps the basic leman russ can be made more desirable via base point reduction, and also reduction of its sponson/hull weapons. like 10 point heavy bolter vs the now 15 on both variants (command and regular russes)

Maybe. When people take commanders over russes, they're basically asking themselves, "Which of these two units gives me the most bang for my buck?" Lowering the cost of a normal russ does improve its cost effectiveness (less buck, therefore more bang for each buck.) However, does this really fix the issue? Either the commander will remain more cost effective and thus the status quo remains unchanged, OR you make the normal russ so cost-efficient that people just start taking them to the exclusion of the commanders, right?

Hmm. Unless the most efficient combo is to have one commander per normal russ so that the tank commander can buff the normal russ to a level of efficiency greater than just two commanders or two normal russes alone.


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I believe making voice of command only usable on a unit that doesnt have voice of command would help the problem, IE if you are not giving your tank command to a regular leman russ you are losing out the point efficiency of your tank commander
   
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bat702 wrote:
I believe making voice of command only usable on a unit that doesnt have voice of command would help the problem, IE if you are not giving your tank command to a regular leman russ you are losing out the point efficiency of your tank commander

That seems pretty reasonable to me. Commanders giving themselves orders was always weird. Would it make sense for russes and other tanks to gain the CORE keyword and for orders to only target CORE units?


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. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
 
   
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bat702 wrote:
I believe making voice of command only usable on a unit that doesnt have voice of command would help the problem, IE if you are not giving your tank command to a regular leman russ you are losing out the point efficiency of your tank commander


I’ve been suggesting this for awhile too. I’d rather remove the ability for officers to order themselves and then buff a tank commander to have 2 orders and 18 inch order range.
   
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it would definitely make sense for the leman russes in the same detachment, to definitely, have vox casters in built.
   
 
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