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Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask. I went to the AoS War Council but it wanted points values and factions as part of the header and they weren't really relevant.

Although I played WFB from 1984 till the End Times, I've not bothered with AoS before. Infact, the awful helmet design on Stormcast put me off ever getting involved and there was no way I was rebasing 5000+ points of Orcs/Goblins, Undead, and Dwarves. They're now my KoW armies.
Anyway, I much prefer the newer Dominion style Stormcast models, most of which can be made with real faces now, so I delved in and bought the Dominion box set.

And... here's my questions...

1. The Warhammer Azyr App.
People seem to rate this quite highly on Dakka. I've paid for a subscription, but I can't find any of the models from my Dominion box in it.
The rules also seem to be different from the ones in the Core Rulebook in the Dominion box.

2. Warscrolls and Points.
I can download some warscrolls from the GW site in the model's Downloads sections, but others don't have them. Also, they don't have points on them.
I've been told that I needed to get the General's Handbook (so I spent another £25) just for a rather small pamphlet with points. I have this now, but it contradicts many of the Warscrolls I've downloaded. Many Warscrolls (eg Gryph-hounds) say I can have any number of models in the unit, but the Handbook says they have to be in fixed amounts (eg Gryph-hounds in 6's). If I want to have a different amount of models, how do I know the individual costs?

3. Warscroll Options
On my Dominion warscroll cards, units like the Hobgrot Slittaz have options for Musicians and Champions which provide bonuses. I can't find any points costs associated with adding these to the unit. If they're free, why would you *not* take them, surely they should just be a given part of the unit.

4. Understrength Units
An understrength unit costs the same amount of points as the normal full unit. Why would you take an understrength unit? I don't have the knowledge of the game yet to know the intricacies of this tactic.

Thanks for answering these... I'm still slowly putting my models together, and hoping I get at least as much game time as I have of mold-line scraping.

Quick answers:

1 - Azyr is going to be replaced with a new App for 3rd.
2 - GH points & unit sizes override downloaded Warscrolls. You don't pay for indivdual models, you buy them in blocks.
3 - They need to be modeled, and not everyone has the models.
4 - Not everyone has the models to run a full strength unit (starter boxes have had Understrength Units in them before)

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Although I played WFB from 1984 till the End Times, I've not bothered with AoS before. Infact, the awful helmet design on Stormcast put me off ever getting involved and there was no way I was rebasing 5000+ points of Orcs/Goblins, Undead, and Dwarves. They're now my KoW armies.
Anyway, I much prefer the newer Dominion style Stormcast models, most of which can be made with real faces now, so I delved in and bought the Dominion box set.

Stormcast have definitely improved since the launch.

1. The Warhammer Azyr App.
People seem to rate this quite highly on Dakka. I've paid for a subscription, but I can't find any of the models from my Dominion box in it.
The rules also seem to be different from the ones in the Core Rulebook in the Dominion box.

Azyr is being replaced with a fully paid AoS app, which will be available as part of a package deal (AoS app, 40k app and Warhammer Plus) if you subscribe to Warhammer Plus when it's released.

2. Warscrolls and Points.
I can download some warscrolls from the GW site in the model's Downloads sections, but others don't have them. Also, they don't have points on them.
I've been told that I needed to get the General's Handbook (so I spent another £25) just for a rather small pamphlet with points. I have this now, but it contradicts many of the Warscrolls I've downloaded. Many Warscrolls (eg Gryph-hounds) say I can have any number of models in the unit, but the Handbook says they have to be in fixed amounts (eg Gryph-hounds in 6's). If I want to have a different amount of models, how do I know the individual costs?

Right now you can use the Warscroll Build on Warhammer Community which has the up-to-date points values for units.

3. Warscroll Options
On my Dominion warscroll cards, units like the Hobgrot Slittaz have options for Musicians and Champions which provide bonuses. I can't find any points costs associated with adding these to the unit. If they're free, why would you *not* take them, surely they should just be a given part of the unit.

All unit upgrades are free in AoS. You pay the cost for the unit then off you go. It's optional as things like banners and instruments can be difficult to transport or paint, so while the do offer benefits it's still optional.

4. Understrength Units
An understrength unit costs the same amount of points as the normal full unit. Why would you take an understrength unit? I don't have the knowledge of the game yet to know the intricacies of this tactic.

Unfinished unit maybe? Not sure if there's a tactical reason but rather it lets you get a unit of 8 Liberators on the table because you can't find the other 2 at home.

Pretty well covered already, but basically the understrength unit thing is to make it at least not illegal to run a unit if you don't have enough models. That's literally it, there is no tactical reason to do it.

I mean, you could maybe contrive some niche scenario where a smaller unit is preferable, but you'd have to really try.

On pts per model & #s of models....

Realize that there ARE two other ways to play other than matched play. Open & Narrative.
As well as Path to Glory (though I haven't read its rules yet)
You don't necessarily have to abide by unit size restrictions in those.
For example, I'm working on a narrative scenario of a village being raided by Chaos Mauraders wich will definitely NOT be using minimum unit sizes as that simple wouldn't make sense.

Pts per model? Easy. Minimum unit cost divided by # of models.

There is a (niche) reason these days to run understrength units; units with 6+ models have more strict coherency rules than those with 5 or less. There are units which come in multiples of 3 for which deploying as 5-man could provide a greater degree of tactical freedom worth losing the 6th model for.

Yeah I did consider that... but if it's a 6 model unit then chances are they're high value models eg Ogor Gluttons so dropping a model is a big penalty. And if its more than 6 obviously you're dropping more than one model!

So yeah, there is a mechanical breakpoint on unit size there, but I struggle to see it being relevant enough to invoke the understrength rule. We'll see I guess!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There is a (niche) reason these days to run understrength units; units with 6+ models have more strict coherency rules than those with 5 or less. There are units which come in multiples of 3 for which deploying as 5-man could provide a greater degree of tactical freedom worth losing the 6th model for.

Can you do that? From the Core Rules:

25.3.1 UNDERSTRENGTH UNITS

An understrength unit is one that has fewer models than its minimum unit size.

Your example wouldn't qualify as an 'understrength unit' since it has more models than its minimum unit size.

EDIT: Dug out my old rule book and it's definitely a change:

Unit Size

If a model is fielded as part of a unit of two or more models, then the description will say how many models the unit should have. If you don’t have enough models to field a unit, you can field one unit of that type with as many models as you have available. This is known as an understrength unit

Ah, good catch.

Thanks everyone that replied.

I guess I'll be finding my google account and discontinuing the Azyr App as it doesn't have v3 or Dominion models and it sounds like it's being replaced with an equivalent to the 40k app. As I pay for that already and soon the AoS version, I figure the WH+ will probably be worth it for me (till GW ramp up the price mid way through year 1).

I'll probably end up with a load of rules questions after my first game, but in the mean time, on the Warhammer Community List Builder, they seem to have all the Dominion models and costs, except Vindictors. Unless that is what Vindicators are. I'm not familiar with the full range to know if they are something different.

Thanks again for all your help.

Yeah, its the Vindicator... They named them incorrectly.

 Stux wrote:
Yeah, its the Vindicator... They named them incorrectly.

Thanks. Looks like they've been fixed in spelling now as well.


So, building my Dominion box...

Orruk Killaboss (on foot). Shield for a 1 better save, or Flail for 2 extra attacks at range 2". Which build have people gone for?
(I'm one of those guys that always picks the wrong choice when building stuff)

I'm leaning shield, but I'd say just don't glue it so you can swap out as needed.

I went with the mace, for some more damage output, and feeling the higher save on the model wasn't worth too much. Also, the bulk of the orruks in the army have shields already including the big boss, so I decided to shake things up visually speaking.

Not gluing it would be the smart choice that I opted to not make.

I'm tempted by the shield as they look good fun to paint, but as the 2 choices seem to slot on and off ok, I'll see if I can go with both.