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This discussion came up in my regular group and I'm curious what the larger community thinks.

Do you make lists in tandem and/or share them with your opponent(s) before the game?

What style of game do you play if you do or don't?

   
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Calm Celestian




Casually? Not normally, although I know what some people will bring.

   
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot






Depends heavily. I typically plan out what type of game I'm going to have.

Learning a new army? New to the game, back after a long break? I'll take a list that's softer, with less built in redundancies and less internal synergy. Try to make sure I don't have anything the other person cannot deal with, which takes a bit of list building together. If my opponent tells me what they have and asks for advice, I try my best not to use this information to beat them, and instead, ensure it'll be a good time.

Someone trying out a new list/models they're unsure how they'll perform? Looking to have a solid time? Bring a solid TAC list.

Somone wants to bring the heat? Respond in kind.

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Sometimes. When i first got into the game it was pretty common to know who you were facing then you would build a list though without knowing more than what army you were facing and before models were deployed. against weaker armies i would literally hand them my list to make their list to tailor against mine to make things fairer.

As for sharing list yes i generally carry a casual, a mixed and a competitive version of my lists and give people the choice of which to face, if they want a copy i often have 2 or 3 of each so will let them have it durring or even keep after the game if they want it for some reason

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When organizing a game, my group decides which armies we want to play and any major list building considerations upfront, then we put together our lists independently with with rough idea of what we will be facing. A day or two before the game, we share our lists and fine tune to try and ensure a pretty balanced match up. We usually share the lists with a 3rd person to get an unbiased opinion on the list match up too which I think helps manage what can sometimes be an awkward back and forth about who has advantages where and to what degree.

Matched play mission is randomly selected day of game.

For the most part, I think we do an okay job of creating games that have both players still playing for the win in the 4th or 5th turns but the occasional turn 3 KO does come up due to unforeseen chance/mission/terrain/match up interactions.

   
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I always make a huge effort to share my lists- and really, my whole Crusade history- with anyone who is interested. That includes potential opponents.

I don't EXPECT people to do the same for me, but I try to lead by example, and I do appreciate it when they return the favour.

I've never built a list for purely competitive reasons, and I don't plan on starting any time soon. I don't mind fighting against people who do build purely to win, but again, I try to let them know that they don't have to do that when they are playing against me. I like to be the guy that lets ultra competitive types take a break from their cut throat world to field stuff they actually like.
   
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No, we don't often share lists. Heck, amongst the people I most often play with, sometimes we don't even write the lists down....
Sometimes we know ahead of time what forces will be involved. But not always. Or it'll be one sided - some of us own multiple forces & rotate them while others only have 1 army.
As for what type of games? Other than Crusade technically it'd be open/narrative, but we use like 99.98% of Matched play.
   
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Italy

I play since 3rd edition and not once I had a game without having the chance of getting access to the opponent's list in detail. To me not sharing the list is like playing without the codex. Unless is something I'm already very familiar with.

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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot






I may be assuming what the OP meant, but I'm pretty sure the question of 'before the match' was meant before you're both at a table/just about to start a game.

I saw the question as "do you include your opponent in process as you build your list, for whatever reason" and not "Here's a printed out sheet of my army list" as you're unpacking it and ready to play a game".

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 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
This discussion came up in my regular group and I'm curious what the larger community thinks.

Do you make lists in tandem and/or share them with your opponent(s) before the game?

What style of game do you play if you do or don't?


Going to a pick-up game at the FLGS for "40K Saturday" my assumption is 2000 points Matched Play and the first time we see each other's lists is before deployment. Quickly adjusting a list based on what the opponent has brought would be, absent other information, not very sportsmanlike. Now, if my opponent saw my list and said "Gadzooks! - I have no answer to your list! Do you mind if I switch a few things" I would be OK with it. Its a pickup game after all.

If it is a pre-arranged match (which they all are right now due to COVID contact tracing measures at the FLGS) then we might share lists if it serves a purpose. Let's say I am testing my Deathwing List for an upcoming tournament. I might tell my opponent "Hey - I am brining an all-Deathwing list as a tourney practice game. I'd be happy to face your hardest counter to my list." This will all depend on my opponent and what kind of game they are looking for. If they are a new or returning player then I will ask what they have and I will then bring something that would provide a good learning game (and tilt the table in my opponent's favour).

Those exceptions aside, though, I don't share lists before the game. Part of the fun is living with list-making decisions made without perfect information about the enemy.

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 Thadin wrote:
I may be assuming what the OP meant, but I'm pretty sure the question of 'before the match' was meant before you're both at a table/just about to start a game.

I saw the question as "do you include your opponent in process as you build your list, for whatever reason" and not "Here's a printed out sheet of my army list" as you're unpacking it and ready to play a game".

Yeah, that was my intent. I've always been open with lists at the table, but due to some limitations of our group, it would be nice to know what people are bringing ahead of time.

   
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Charlotte, NC

Before dice starts to roll? I don't usually share a list. Post game, absolutely.

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Me and my friends usually share lists in Discord before our games (usually over TTS). Either we both have lists in mind and don't mind sharing as soon as we have it finalized or we wait until both players have it finalized and then share them at roughly the same time.

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My friends and I usually share what we’ll be playing faction wise, but generally don’t say what we’re playing within each faction
   
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Generally we'll know what armies we're playing prior, but that's it. Not the lists themselves.

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 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
This discussion came up in my regular group and I'm curious what the larger community thinks.

Do you make lists in tandem and/or share them with your opponent(s) before the game?

What style of game do you play if you do or don't?


Sometimes we share in advance(as in day or two before), sometimes not. Depends on person. I'm always open for sharing lists. And generally talking in advance on what kind of game we are to play. Gw games suck for just randomly popping up for game


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TinyLegions wrote:
Before dice starts to roll? I don't usually share a list. Post game, absolutely.


Well you have to tell. There's no secrets in current rules. If opponent wants to know your list you are cheating by not telling

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My group we share our lists before getting started with our games. It's just good to know what is in your opponents army. We don't announce what we are bringing before the game though.

We never play a game without going over lists first, it's a good way to make sure you and your opponent are on the same page, and eliminates any surprises.

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ive always attempted to play with a printed army list that the opponent is free to look at, but it was normally just a points list, with no explanation of any extra rules, etc. I wouldn't want to play someone who actively avoided showing me his army list before deployed.

since i re-started actively playing last year, i've only had a few games, but in all of them me and my opponent (same man every time, unfortunatly), gave a whistle stop tour the force we were deploying ("these are my aquillon terminators, they have str5 storm bolters, power fists, and can natively deep strike, and THIS is my dread...").

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For casual games i deliberately avoid looking at my opponents lists because i want to avoid tailoring.


 
   
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How it's typically done - Army lists are created before hand and shared with the opponent before the game begins.

How I believe it's best done - Create your army list on-site after knowing what faction your opponent is playing.

DO NOT - Create your army list after seeing the entirety of your opponents army and/or army list.
   
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Friendly games at the club: I usually send over the list to the opponent as soon as I'm sure what to bring, may it be a week or a few hours before the game. I don't care if he tailors his list, it's just a friendly game.
Worst case scenario is a perfectly tailored list, which is good practice after all.
Best case scenario is no tailoring and I instantly get his in return (it depends on the opponent, some guys always do it and some never do it).
Taking a look at what you're facing in advance speeds up the game as there's less confusion during the match.

In any case, walking over the list before starting a game is a must imho. Which means showing each unit and explaining which weapons are what (if not wysiwyg), which psychic powers, traits, relics are on which character, ...


 
   
 
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