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Made in es
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Since SM are the main entry point for most people into the 40K universe, its important that they are able to represent a wider audience so that everybody can fill welcome into the hobby and gamming community.

Being a father myself, I find quite limiting the current lore in which SM apparently are sterile, un interested in sexual relationships and have neither no love interest and finally cant have children of their own.

It would be a positive and significant way to expand the lore if SM could form a family, have children and perhaps find a retirement outside active combat duty.

SM stories would move away from unilateral "bolter porn" and give a much more polifafetic view of future supersoldiers.

The changes to the current lore would also need to be minimal, so its clearly a win-win situation.
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




Theoretically they could have children of a type even without sex. Each Space Marines carry two copies of their own geneseed. If it was possible to extract them or one of them while they live, it would then be possible for a recruit to get implanted with that specific geneseed and thus you have a new recruit that now carries the geneseed of a still living Space Marines making them both brothers and child-father at the same time. One being far more experimented then the other, he could take on a role as a mentor that is not dissimilar to that of a father. I do agree that "Space Marines as a bioweapon" are less appealing then "Space Marines as a superhuman".
   
Made in ca
Gargantuan Gargant






That wouldn't make much sense since the whole point of SM was not to let them replace humanity but for them to be the instruments of mankind's survival after the Age of Strife and to serve until the (until Chaos got involved) eventual development of mankind into a fully realized psychic species via the Webway project. I'm pretty sure the Emperor's design was partly intended that SM would be reliant on humanity for their numbers so that they could never realistically exist without humanity and this is part of the dynamic which makes them interesting because they are removed from humans and each chapter can choose to either embrace that transhuman separation or attempt to bridge the gap like Salamanders do. By allowing them to have children you undermine a lot of the causes behind the Heresy and even the struggle with SM being given the role as mankind's protectors.

You also have to factor that SM are very much brainwashed and bio-engineered soldiers that are committed to war from birth, so that's not exactly something that you can avoid without severe retcons to be honest. I feel like what you're looking for is much better represented with the Imperial Guard, if you're looking for more of the family dynamic.

I'm also not entirely sure this is a safe topic to bring up so shortly after the most recent thread, but I'll definitely avoid mentioning the most recent elephant in the room.

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Made in ca
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 Grimskul wrote:
That wouldn't make much sense since the whole point of SM was not to let them replace humanity but for them to be the instruments of mankind's survival after the Age of Strife and to serve until the (until Chaos got involved) eventual development of mankind into a fully realized psychic species via the Webway project. I'm pretty sure the Emperor's design was partly intended that SM would be reliant on humanity for their numbers so that they could never realistically exist without humanity and this is part of the dynamic which makes them interesting because they are removed from humans and each chapter can choose to either embrace that transhuman separation or attempt to bridge the gap like Salamanders do. By allowing them to have children you undermine a lot of the causes behind the Heresy and even the struggle with SM being given the role as mankind's protectors.


You are making a key mistake here. You assume that Space Marines having children would have those children be baby Marines and not human. The geneseed might have no effect on spermatozoid which would means that those cells only contain human DNA and not Primarch DNA . The method to produce a Space Marines seems to be largely surgical and doesn't require fundamental changes to the DNA of a person. A fertile Space Marines who has a child with a human woman (there are no female Space Marine after all) could produce a very human child and thus not "replace humanity" in any way shape or form.
   
Made in es
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Well obviously the SM children wont be SM themselves, just regular humans whose father happens to be a SM... I Think lore wise this could create very interesting stories... Such the conflict of a father marine when he wants his son to became a SM when teen but fears he might die in the process or end being a chapter serf.

Surely this will be very appealling for a wide demographic.

There are a lot of brainwashed killers in the Imperium that are able to have children and create a family... Why are the SM excluded?
   
Made in us
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In the grim darkness there are....... eight foot tall hypno-indocrinated killing machines who double as loving fathers.

Get lost.
   
Made in es
Dakka Veteran




epronovost wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
That wouldn't make much sense since the whole point of SM was not to let them replace humanity but for them to be the instruments of mankind's survival after the Age of Strife and to serve until the (until Chaos got involved) eventual development of mankind into a fully realized psychic species via the Webway project. I'm pretty sure the Emperor's design was partly intended that SM would be reliant on humanity for their numbers so that they could never realistically exist without humanity and this is part of the dynamic which makes them interesting because they are removed from humans and each chapter can choose to either embrace that transhuman separation or attempt to bridge the gap like Salamanders do. By allowing them to have children you undermine a lot of the causes behind the Heresy and even the struggle with SM being given the role as mankind's protectors.


You are making a key mistake here. You assume that Space Marines having children would have those children be baby Marines and not human. The geneseed might have no effect on spermatozoid which would means that those cells only contain human DNA and not Primarch DNA . The method to produce a Space Marines seems to be largely surgical and doesn't require fundamental changes to the DNA of a person. A fertile Space Marines who has a child with a human woman (there are no female Space Marine after all) could produce a very human child and thus not "replace humanity" in any way shape or form.


Briliantly explain. My POV also. Is there any strong lore reason for SM to be sterile?

Its a small change to the setting, but one that expands it in positive ways... IMHO.
   
Made in gb
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Villanous Scum







After the previous topics were locked I am not sure what you were thinking with this thread. All you are getting is it locked and a warning.

On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire. 
   
 
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