Switch Theme:

Oblivion?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

This is inspiered by the exalted roleplayig game by white wolf. Long digresion aside.

After Belakhor made it so that the stormcasts did not return Sigmar was in trouble for a short time. However, some time later they designed the armour that can pierce the heavens again and everything is fine.

Would it be possible to do a similar design as Belakhor and make it so that souls that die do not pass into the afterlife? Call it oblivion, anilhilation theory or what else. Every person that dies essentially fuels Nagash armies. But if Sigmar found some way to send them to oblivion istead of into the afterlife then after a while Nagash would run out of new soldiers.

Perhaps there would be some merit to not do so for everyone, as Sigmar want to send the best heroes to the afterlife. I could very well imagine some form of home brew cannon for a subfaction of Storm Cast eternals focusing on doing research into this.

   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I believe one of the fallouts from Nagash's failed Black Pyramid that sparked the Soul Wars, is a huge vortex that sucks in souls that not even Nagash can pull out, nor knows where it leads. So buried in the Realm of Death is basically a Black Hole toward oblivion or nothing or who knows where!

Right now I believe its a point in the lore but not a vast threat, but its the kind of thing that could one day be a huge problem.

A Blog in Miniature

3D Printing, hobbying and model fun! 
   
Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle






That would be a fundamental law of the universe; somewhat analogous to trying to make it so all gravity goes in a different direction, or changing what the speed of light is. Even what Nagash did was an attempt to pull all souls towards him by strengthening the existing processes.

Gods can certainly exert great influence over where souls go, but that is exactly it; something they DO to change the regular flow. Like how in real life we can make water flow in all sorts of different ways, but cannot alter its basic chemical properties.

Road to Renown! It's like classic Path to Glory, but repaired, remastered, expanded! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778170.page

I chose an avatar I feel best represents the quality of my post history.

I try to view Warhammer as more of a toolbox with examples than fully complete games. 
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

I do not think water is the best metaphor here. It's base chemical properties are h2o. So you could do 4 h2o. into 4 h2 1 o4.(Yes o4 might be a bad example as it is very unstable.)

It is a fictional universe with magic, and you know, souls. It does not actually follow the fundamental laws of the universe.

But cool that nagash has an oblivion vortex. I stil thik it could be something for Stoemcast Eternals to look into. :-)

   
Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle






You misunderstand; we cannot alter the laws of chemistry that govern the properties of water. We cannot, say, alter reality such that all water everywhere in the universe now boils at a different temperature than before.

Road to Renown! It's like classic Path to Glory, but repaired, remastered, expanded! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778170.page

I chose an avatar I feel best represents the quality of my post history.

I try to view Warhammer as more of a toolbox with examples than fully complete games. 
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Actually you can. What temperature what boils on depend on the preasure. This is why preasure cookers boils things really fast because the temperature gets above 100 celsius before the water evaporates. (Or you could boil them in steam.) While in tall mountains with less preasure the waters boils much faster (at a much lover temperature if you will.) This means food has to boil for longer to get the same effect.

Just by lifting your kettle of boiling water up or down you are quite literally changing the temperature at witch the water will boil. Or "alter realaty" as you put it.

Also, there are a few problems using water as a metaphor as we can conclusivly prove that water excists, but we have never been able to prove the soul existst. Of course souls excist in AoS witch is why I question the reliabilaty of arguing with science or with metaphor in a fictional universe.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/07/30 09:36:56


   
Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle






 Niiai wrote:
Actually you can. What temperature what boils on depend on the preasure. This is why preasure cookers boils things really fast because the temperature gets above 100 celsius before the water evaporates. (Or you could boil them in steam.) While in tall mountains with less preasure the waters boils much faster (at a much lover temperature if you will.) This means food has to boil for longer to get the same effect.

Just by lifting your kettle of boiling water up or down you are quite literally changing the temperature at witch the water will boil. Or "alter realaty" as you put it.

Also, there are a few problems using water as a metaphor as we can conclusivly prove that water excists, but we have never been able to prove the soul existst. Of course souls excist in AoS witch is why I question the reliabilaty of arguing with science or with metaphor in a fictional universe.
You are proving my point; you can alter the properties of some water just like gods can alter the direction of some souls. But putting some water in a pressure cooker does not change the boiling temperature of all water everywhere in the universe.

Which come to think of it is immediately obvious so now I think you may just be trolling me.

Road to Renown! It's like classic Path to Glory, but repaired, remastered, expanded! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778170.page

I chose an avatar I feel best represents the quality of my post history.

I try to view Warhammer as more of a toolbox with examples than fully complete games. 
   
Made in gb
Mighty Vampire Count






UK

 Overread wrote:
I believe one of the fallouts from Nagash's failed Black Pyramid that sparked the Soul Wars, is a huge vortex that sucks in souls that not even Nagash can pull out, nor knows where it leads. So buried in the Realm of Death is basically a Black Hole toward oblivion or nothing or who knows where!

Right now I believe its a point in the lore but not a vast threat, but its the kind of thing that could one day be a huge problem.

There is also the Maw of Uncreation in Nulahmia:
A huge whirlpool of grey nothing which only has any texture and movement as it consumes a part of reality. It is truly nothing - the greatest and most terrible of devourers, because everything, at the last, became nothing, the final end in absolute entropy. It was there that even death would come to an end. Neferata recalled that it had been a legend, even to the Mortarchs and even Nagash himself only mentioned it once, speaking of it as if there were some things that, for the gods too, were better left as myths. It lay hidden miles beneath beneath the Tomb of the Unnumbered until the Season of Loss in the Age of Myth. Once discovered, the Queen created a new seal to contain it which she named the Annihilation Gate, anointing it with the blood sacrifice of a vast host of vampire and mortal nobility. Those who surrendered their lives willingly would see their families rewarded, those who resisted were merely slaughtered.

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page

A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction 
   
 
Forum Index » Warhammer: Age of Sigmar
Go to: