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Made in ca
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So I’ve recently asked how to incorporate Sisters of Silence into my Custodes ... looking at the tiny model range for GW and then seeing all the forgeworld “sold out/no longer available”, I’m a little worried about Custodes not being a supported army in the future. I managed to get my hands on a Beast Snagga box set and I was contemplating selling it to invest in the models I love (new ork models look great imo tho)... just wondering everyone’s opinion on this.
I already have the orks... but I’m not the orky kind of player that’s going to yell “WAAAAGGHH!” in a tournament or live the goofy ork playstyle as funny as I find it. I’ve always thought the goofballs made the best ork generals.

And there you have it.... fear of the unknown and what GW might do to my army.
   
Made in ca
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Custodes are definitely not getting squatted, I don't know how much love they'll be getting model wise in 9th edition but they're a very recent army as far as 40k goes so they will be getting an update within the next two years or so depending on how fast GW can catch up on their COVID schedule.

The better question is why you're interested in Custodes. Is it for the playstyle? Is it for the models or lore? I have a slight bias being that I'm an Ork player, but one of the reasons why Orks has been my only faction so far is that they have the model (and conversion potential) diversity to try out a lot of variant lists that are distinct both visually and game play wise that allows me to have fun with them without feeling like its monotonous. Obviously, not all of those army archetypes will be as competitive as others, but I feel that the Orks community is quite resilient in terms of making things work even when the rules writing makes it difficult to work with certain units/faction rules.

Custodes as it is are pretty limited due to the newness of their range, so if you want lots of variety and options, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while for more stuff to be added in the Custodes roster proper or find alternate ways of getting access to FW units. If you haven't done so already, definitely play around using TTS or proxies to get a feel for if you want to invest in Custodes further. Right now, they're in a really weird spot where they don't feel as elite as they should be due to power creep and the proliferation of transhuman and -1D abilities, and you need to leverage FW units to compensate. Hopefully their 9th ed codex helps address that disparity.

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Made in ca
Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion





Custodes will continued to be supported, and I'd not be suprised to see the model range extended,
that said the small model range I can TOTALLY understand being a turn off, custodes are great for a small side army but if you're into the hobby side of things they can kinda be limiting.

if you're looking for a army with diversity from a modeling POV Orks isn't a bad thing, HOWEVER, they play pretty differantly. if you are wanting an army with a "small eliteish force" theme, but want more model diversity and ALSO want to be sure your army will ALWAYS be supported, I'd honestly suggest taking a look at space marines

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 Grimskul wrote:
Custodes are definitely not getting squatted, I don't know how much love they'll be getting model wise in 9th edition but they're a very recent army as far as 40k goes so they will be getting an update within the next two years or so depending on how fast GW can catch up on their COVID schedule.

The better question is why you're interested in Custodes. Is it for the playstyle? Is it for the models or lore? I have a slight bias being that I'm an Ork player, but one of the reasons why Orks has been my only faction so far is that they have the model (and conversion potential) diversity to try out a lot of variant lists that are distinct both visually and game play wise that allows me to have fun with them without feeling like its monotonous. Obviously, not all of those army archetypes will be as competitive as others, but I feel that the Orks community is quite resilient in terms of making things work even when the rules writing makes it difficult to work with certain units/faction rules.

Custodes as it is are pretty limited due to the newness of their range, so if you want lots of variety and options, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while for more stuff to be added in the Custodes roster proper or find alternate ways of getting access to FW units. If you haven't done so already, definitely play around using TTS or proxies to get a feel for if you want to invest in Custodes further. Right now, they're in a really weird spot where they don't feel as elite as they should be due to power creep and the proliferation of transhuman and -1D abilities, and you need to leverage FW units to compensate. Hopefully their 9th ed codex helps address that disparity.

BrianDavion wrote:
Custodes will continued to be supported, and I'd not be suprised to see the model range extended,
that said the small model range I can TOTALLY understand being a turn off, custodes are great for a small side army but if you're into the hobby side of things they can kinda be limiting.

if you're looking for a army with diversity from a modeling POV Orks isn't a bad thing, HOWEVER, they play pretty differantly. if you are wanting an army with a "small eliteish force" theme, but want more model diversity and ALSO want to be sure your army will ALWAYS be supported, I'd honestly suggest taking a look at space marines


Firstly, forgive me for saying this but.... I tried marines... they are just too... everyone and their dog plays them.They just have way too much going on that the choices boggle my mind and I end up power gaming instead of collecting what I like. If possible I’d kind of like to stay away from marines, as great as they are, I’ll either end up with a GT army or something like a termie heavy Raven Guard lol (ie opposite ends of the spectrum).

Originally coming back to 40k I wanted to play a themed Cult army, but soon found they are pretty trash... i just love the models for the troops for like an army modeled after “The Strain”.

Which kinda led me to Custodes... once upon a time in like 6th ed, I bought custom heads and started making a Custode army using Grey Knight rules and bodies... so I did have a bit of interest back before GW made them an army. The big eye catcher to me right now is the Sisters of silence... I was contemplating buying them awhile back because I thought my sisters of battle would never get new rules.... eventually I quit, sold everything and took 7th and 8th off completely. Then of course I come back, and EVERYONE is playing sisters! (I sold about 3000 points of metal sisters). So naturally, wanting to be different i thought about getting the SoS models I like so much and making a Custode army featuring them lol
   
Made in us
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by the time you finish building and painting a genestealer cult army, they'll have their 'dex.

We've already got GSC models showing up in the rumor engine images (tough to imagine any other army having a nid-like hand holding something technological) so I can only imagine they're going to be either next after orks and combo Tsons/GK, or at least one of the next few.

If I have to wait 3 months for my gsc book Ill be shocked.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
by the time you finish building and painting a genestealer cult army, they'll have their 'dex.

We've already got GSC models showing up in the rumor engine images (tough to imagine any other army having a nid-like hand holding something technological) so I can only imagine they're going to be either next after orks and combo Tsons/GK, or at least one of the next few.

If I have to wait 3 months for my gsc book Ill be shocked.


Instead of a Custodes/SoS army?

One worry I have with starting an 8th Ed Codex is that the units I buy/build/paint will have horrible rules when their new Codex arrives
   
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Well, on that front at least, there doesn't seem to be TOO much to worry about!

I mean, of all the new 9th edition dex's we have had, what, maybe two or three that weren't competitive? And at least that many that have required serious nerfs ect.

Honestly, as far as "the new hotness" goes: if they get a new dex, odds seem good that it means they get MORE powerful instead of less. So, there is one ray of sunshine at least! :-)
   
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leerm02 wrote:
Well, on that front at least, there doesn't seem to be TOO much to worry about!

I mean, of all the new 9th edition dex's we have had, what, maybe two or three that weren't competitive? And at least that many that have required serious nerfs ect.

Honestly, as far as "the new hotness" goes: if they get a new dex, odds seem good that it means they get MORE powerful instead of less. So, there is one ray of sunshine at least! :-)


Lol well that may be so.... but we have no idea what units will be powerful. What if the models I bought and painted keep horrible rules and the ones I don’t own get powerful haha
   
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion





Juicebox_1990 wrote:
leerm02 wrote:
Well, on that front at least, there doesn't seem to be TOO much to worry about!

I mean, of all the new 9th edition dex's we have had, what, maybe two or three that weren't competitive? And at least that many that have required serious nerfs ect.

Honestly, as far as "the new hotness" goes: if they get a new dex, odds seem good that it means they get MORE powerful instead of less. So, there is one ray of sunshine at least! :-)


Lol well that may be so.... but we have no idea what units will be powerful. What if the models I bought and painted keep horrible rules and the ones I don’t own get powerful haha


the meta changes so fast it's not worth worrying about it. also 9th editions codices have largely been pretty solid with internal balance, with few units that are absolute crap etc.


One thing to keep in mind is powerful units come and go, but plastic is forever, focus first and foremost on what you LIKE and enjoy. don't worry about what other people have, say, do etc.

if you buy an army because they're powerful, but that you hate the look of, you'll not be in it very long

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Made in ca
Gargantuan Gargant






BrianDavion wrote:
Juicebox_1990 wrote:
leerm02 wrote:
Well, on that front at least, there doesn't seem to be TOO much to worry about!

I mean, of all the new 9th edition dex's we have had, what, maybe two or three that weren't competitive? And at least that many that have required serious nerfs ect.

Honestly, as far as "the new hotness" goes: if they get a new dex, odds seem good that it means they get MORE powerful instead of less. So, there is one ray of sunshine at least! :-)


Lol well that may be so.... but we have no idea what units will be powerful. What if the models I bought and painted keep horrible rules and the ones I don’t own get powerful haha


the meta changes so fast it's not worth worrying about it. also 9th editions codices have largely been pretty solid with internal balance, with few units that are absolute crap etc.


One thing to keep in mind is powerful units come and go, but plastic is forever, focus first and foremost on what you LIKE and enjoy. don't worry about what other people have, say, do etc.

if you buy an army because they're powerful, but that you hate the look of, you'll not be in it very long


Yeah, the pendulum swings back and forth constantly when it comes to power level for models. Since the meta-shifts pretty quickly, (especially now with the regular points updates and fairly frequent FAQ's), there's no point getting stuck into worrying about the hottest units in the current edition. One good thing about having an established army with all the bits in a faction is that you don't have to worry as much about having to change around your army list since your collection can support multiple archetypes. Committing to one army is usually a lot easier for your wallet and your mind when compared to army hopping based on the meta.

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Don't worry about what units are going to be powerful and which units won't be in any upcoming 9th Ed Codex.
Imo that's an unwise way to view the hobby. Chose the faction and the units you enjoy building, painting and looking at. If you don't aim to play a lot of tournaments it's not worth chasing after the current best units and factions.

I'll also just confirm what has been said already in this thread, that there is about zero chance that custodes are going to be squatted. They have new kits and are massively popular both models and lore wise. I don't think they'll get a huge model release with their 9th Ed Codex however...probably just a custodes HQ and if GW is feeling really generous, they'll get a generic sisters HQ.

If you like the lore and models of GSC, start those. The army is not very good now, but until you have a working list that's painted, the new Codex might be out already.
   
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general trend for 9th ed is: "Whatever is currently bad will be heavily buffed, whatever is currently meta will be either nerfed or remain the same."

Meta for GSC at the moment is: Max out on ridgerunners, Acolytes > every other melee unit option, clearance incinerator rockgrinders are the only other good tourney-quality unit.

We're a 'lots of regular dudes, some special weapons' army, so what I would do is start with the things you know are going to be in the mix.

Paint the autogun cultists, the knife acolytes, the transports, a broodcoven box for some HQs, and just chill and bide your time. In a couple months, you'll have your codex and then you can build your special weapon guys.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
 
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