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Cobleskill

one of my opponents is starting a CSM warband, and we had some questions about a rules interaction.

There is a unit of 5 Khorne Terminators with the Red Butchers strat that allows them to fight twice in each combat, AND there is a strat that allows them to fight again? so, do they make 3x their base attack, 4x their base attack (what I ruled - not that I cared; I was playing Tau) or is there no point to using the Stratagem on account that they already got to fight twice on account of the Red Butchers Strat?

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You don't multiply their attacks, you get two distinct rounds of combat, meaning you can attack once, your opponent then gets to activate a unit, then you can fight again.
   
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Cobleskill

 Valkyrie wrote:
You don't multiply their attacks, you get two distinct rounds of combat, meaning you can attack once, your opponent then gets to activate a unit, then you can fight again.


Is that with the Red Butchers Strat or the Stratagem that allows them to fight again? (or both?)

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 carldooley wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
You don't multiply their attacks, you get two distinct rounds of combat, meaning you can attack once, your opponent then gets to activate a unit, then you can fight again.


Is that with the Red Butchers Strat or the Stratagem that allows them to fight again? (or both?)


If Red Butchers is the same as the regular Khorne Berzerker rule then yes.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
You don't multiply their attacks, you get two distinct rounds of combat, meaning you can attack once, your opponent then gets to activate a unit, then you can fight again.


This is not exactly true, or maybe I'm reading this wrong.
Red Butchers gain +1 S and can attack twice in a combat round. If they have charged, both of their rounds of attacks happen in the "Fights First" phase. So if the opponent has no one that can "Fight First", or does not interrupt, the Butchers (and Berzerkers) will attack twice before they can do anything. If the opponent does have someone that can fight first, then the Butchers could attack first (as per the rules), then the opponent would attack, then the Butchers again.
If you use the fight again strat, that happens at the end of the combat round, after everyone has attacked.

Do note that the +1 attack you get from charging as a World Eater only works on your first round of attacks. It give +1 attack per combat round, it does not increase your base attacks.
So a Butcher charging would get 4 attacks (2 base, 1 for angry marine, 1 for even angrier World Eater) their first round of attacks. Their second round of attacks and if you played the strat, those attacks would number 3 (2 base, 1 for angry marine, but no bonus for even angrier World Eater). It is a poor Legion trait that hopefully will be changed to match other +1 attack traits.

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