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 Sir Arun wrote:
NamelessBard wrote:
As much as I hate to say it, it seems like we got suckered into a 2 year beta test we had to pay for.

You are assuming 6th edition was the beta testing and 7th edition is the finished product.

Just… whoa! Exalted, man!
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, Sisters didn't get a codex, they got an errata they had to pay for that dragged the army down an alley and beat it with a nerf bat.

....Not that I'm bitter or unhappy about that since people tell me I'm some kind of White Knight every now and then when I don't see everything as 100% bad. Which means I could never EVER dislike anything GW does. [/sarcasm]

Well, obviously you do not have a problem with that, else you might be looking at the competition rather than buying even more GW miniatures to thank them for that nerf bat, right ?

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Has anything changed with the selection of psychic powers? Is a mastery 1 psyker still forbidden from keeping a mastery 2 power if its rolled?

If so, then the conjuration powers will require a mastery 3 psyker and it would be their only power.

insaniak wrote:
YMDC has plenty of room for discussion veering away from the RAW, particularly in cases like this where what is being put forward as the RAW is absurd.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
NamelessBard wrote:
As much as I hate to say it, it seems like we got suckered into a 2 year beta test we had to pay for.

You are assuming 6th edition was the beta testing and 7th edition is the finished product.

Just… whoa! Exalted, man!
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, Sisters didn't get a codex, they got an errata they had to pay for that dragged the army down an alley and beat it with a nerf bat.

....Not that I'm bitter or unhappy about that since people tell me I'm some kind of White Knight every now and then when I don't see everything as 100% bad. Which means I could never EVER dislike anything GW does. [/sarcasm]

Well, obviously you do not have a problem with that, else you might be looking at the competition rather than buying even more GW miniatures to thank them for that nerf bat, right ?

Maybe if someone ACTUALLY made models that fit the Sisters aesthetic and sold them AND the codex didn't suck then maybe. As it stands? My army is in it's carrying case in the closet and its staying there for now.

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BTW, HBMC, if this does, in fact, drive you entirely off GW (save Forgeworld), I'll miss your posts on the topic. Even if I disagreed with you on something, I was always interested in seeing what you had written. Not only do I normally agree with your sense of what is good and valuable about Warhammer 40,000, your posts were always intelligently composed, and, unlike mine, short and to the point.


I'll always be around for snarky remarks. It's too entertaining not to.

What I mean by "done" is that I've reached the point where I don't want to be burnt any more. I know I've said this at least twice already during the course of this long and winding thread, but I hated 4th and 5th to the point where I didn't buy anything for them, but with 6th I saw things that were (in my mind) improvements over the previous two editions. So many of my personal "deal-breakers" (especially the ones from the 5th Ed vehicle rules) were removed, and while I still dislike Hull Points and the idiotic method of casualty removal in 6th it was a level of bull gak that I was willing to accept for what was otherwise a better rule set than the previous to. And I bought into it. I got the rulebook, the starter box, Apoc, all the Warzones (other than Damocles, as I didn't know it was limited edition), all the psychic cards even for the armies I didn't play, the Apoc Cards, templates, Escalation, Strongpoint Assault. Everything. I was fully invested and it felt good to be 'back in the game', so to speak.

But now? My cards are invalidated, my rulebook is worthless, my supplement books (Strongpoint and Escalation) aren't worth the paper they're printed on and once again Apoc is a set of rules written for a different edition. And all of this took place within two years of the previous edition. Two years! That's ludicrous. I could almost live with it if 7th Ed was GW making a new edition to fix the problems of 6th - like a 'break glass in case of stupidity' situation where they've seen what 40K has become (allies shenanigans, dataslates, and other nonsense) and they decided the best way to fix it was to tear the Band-Aid off quickly and reset everything with a new edition. But they're not doing that. They're adding more extraneous nonsense. More charts. More things to roll on. More cards (which I refuse to buy now). More dataslates (which are just DLC... and I have real problems with DLC that extend way beyond GW's method of selling them). More blatant disregard for the fluff (now Eldar can summon Slaaneshi Daemons every turn, Inquisitors and Dark Angels are BFFs, Dark Eldar would totally ally with a Slaaneshi Daemon army... but Guard will never ally with Chaos because Traitor Guard and reasons reasons reasons). The game has become "buy all our playsets and toys", where simply buying GW minis is the HHHobby rather than using them. And now we don't even have the certainty that what we have will stick around for any length of time. This edition is to fill a checkbox and make a full year report look better (because the half-year looked bad). It's cynical, and as I said a couple of pages back I am certain that Jervis' team holds an utterly different view of what 40K is and how it operates, and as tired as it is to make fun of the narrative forging and all that you can see how they see it as the most important thing, and that's a shame because they act as is having a balanced game with a tight and consistent set of rules (as opposed to a set of rules one might call unbound - geddit?) is mutually exclusive to forging another bloody narrative.

And I can't do it anymore!

I'm not a kid any more, playing 40K with his friends during school holidays or on weekends while at Uni. There are far better representations of 40K out there (the RPGs, which I adored before my personal bias of writing the RPG's became a factor), and they don't require wrestling with GW's inability to write a coherent and consistent set of rules. And that's before we even get into the questionable ethics of their bullying business practices, embargos, pricing structure, secrecy and all that other nonsense that sits beneath the surface.

And then this is exacerbated by the White Knights and their clueless "everything is fine, nothing is broken" attitute towards everything...

But I've gone on long enough...

   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Maybe if someone ACTUALLY made models that fit the Sisters aesthetic and sold them

http://www.svarogminiatures.com/
 ClockworkZion wrote:
As it stands? My army is in it's carrying case in the closet and its staying there for now.

Yeah, and IIRC you are buying GW's Chaos Marines instead. So, rewarding them by buying more miniatures from them rather than looking at the competition. GW thanks you .

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Maybe if someone ACTUALLY made models that fit the Sisters aesthetic and sold them

http://www.svarogminiatures.com/

Less model variation than my current Sisters army AND the codex still sucks. Which is the deal breaker on that one. What's the point of a nice looking army if you know how badly you'll be tabled before the game starts? I need more than new models (though that would help a LOT) to play Sisters again right now.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
As it stands? My army is in it's carrying case in the closet and its staying there for now.

Yeah, and IIRC you are buying GW's Chaos Marines instead. So, rewarding them by buying more miniatures from them rather than looking at the competition. GW thanks you .

I'm not working on Crimson Slaughter until the basic models get updated because the basic CSM don't match the new model design anymore and frankly they're boring to paint.

And boycotts just don't work. GW doesn't care if you stop buying and instead they like to punish their store employees instead of admitting their is a problem.

All I buy (which really is not much) I get through my FLGS so they get money from me instead of GW at least. And before you start: Warmachine. I've given up trying to get into the game. Starting with their fluff, to their model aesthetics to the gak that is "Page 5" I just don't like the game enough to throw my money down that hole. I just can't find one thing that pulls me in and makes me want to play. No, not even the rules.

Right now I'm at a tipping point with 40k. I love the models and the setting but depending on this edition and how it goes together I may just move to collecting/painting things I want to collect and paint and just flip the bird to the game itself until it changes. I last played a game of 40k last year when Apoc launched. I am not falling into a "sunk cost" fallacy with 40k. I'm willing to just stop playing, do my little reviews of the codexes and just not worry about actually bothering with playing.

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Let's be real. Crons were a 6e book, or at least designed for 6e.


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omerakk wrote:
Let's be real. Crons were a 6e book, or at least designed for 6e.


I still giggle when I read that, even 2 years later


Well, the necrons book had things like "heavy" vehicles before 6th, as well as a reference to monstrous creatures going to ground, which wasnt possible in 5th. I'd say it was definitely written as a 6th Ed book.

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YMDC has plenty of room for discussion veering away from the RAW, particularly in cases like this where what is being put forward as the RAW is absurd.

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Are they part of the faction they were summoned by, or are summoned daemons still part of the daemon faction?

When it says you can't deploy CtA allies within 12" is that just during deployment, or whenever they enter play?

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Da Butcha wrote:
BTW, HBMC, if this does, in fact, drive you entirely off GW (save Forgeworld), I'll miss your posts on the topic. Even if I disagreed with you on something, I was always interested in seeing what you had written. Not only do I normally agree with your sense of what is good and valuable about Warhammer 40,000, your posts were always intelligently composed, and, unlike mine, short and to the point.


I'll always be around for snarky remarks. It's too entertaining not to.

What I mean by "done" is that I've reached the point where I don't want to be burnt any more.
Spoiler:
I know I've said this at least twice already during the course of this long and winding thread, but I hated 4th and 5th to the point where I didn't buy anything for them, but with 6th I saw things that were (in my mind) improvements over the previous two editions. So many of my personal "deal-breakers" (especially the ones from the 5th Ed vehicle rules) were removed, and while I still dislike Hull Points and the idiotic method of casualty removal in 6th it was a level of bull gak that I was willing to accept for what was otherwise a better rule set than the previous to. And I bought into it. I got the rulebook, the starter box, Apoc, all the Warzones (other than Damocles, as I didn't know it was limited edition), all the psychic cards even for the armies I didn't play, the Apoc Cards, templates, Escalation, Strongpoint Assault. Everything. I was fully invested and it felt good to be 'back in the game', so to speak.

But now? My cards are invalidated, my rulebook is worthless, my supplement books (Strongpoint and Escalation) aren't worth the paper they're printed on and once again Apoc is a set of rules written for a different edition. And all of this took place within two years of the previous edition. Two years! That's ludicrous. I could almost live with it if 7th Ed was GW making a new edition to fix the problems of 6th - like a 'break glass in case of stupidity' situation where they've seen what 40K has become (allies shenanigans, dataslates, and other nonsense) and they decided the best way to fix it was to tear the Band-Aid off quickly and reset everything with a new edition. But they're not doing that. They're adding more extraneous nonsense. More charts. More things to roll on. More cards (which I refuse to buy now). More dataslates (which are just DLC... and I have real problems with DLC that extend way beyond GW's method of selling them). More blatant disregard for the fluff (now Eldar can summon Slaaneshi Daemons every turn, Inquisitors and Dark Angels are BFFs, Dark Eldar would totally ally with a Slaaneshi Daemon army... but Guard will never ally with Chaos because Traitor Guard and reasons reasons reasons). The game has become "buy all our playsets and toys", where simply buying GW minis is the HHHobby rather than using them. And now we don't even have the certainty that what we have will stick around for any length of time. This edition is to fill a checkbox and make a full year report look better (because the half-year looked bad). It's cynical, and as I said a couple of pages back I am certain that Jervis' team holds an utterly different view of what 40K is and how it operates, and as tired as it is to make fun of the narrative forging and all that you can see how they see it as the most important thing, and that's a shame because they act as is having a balanced game with a tight and consistent set of rules (as opposed to a set of rules one might call unbound - geddit?) is mutually exclusive to forging another bloody narrative.

And I can't do it anymore!

I'm not a kid any more, playing 40K with his friends during school holidays or on weekends while at Uni. There are far better representations of 40K out there (the RPGs, which I adored before my personal bias of writing the RPG's became a factor), and they don't require wrestling with GW's inability to write a coherent and consistent set of rules. And that's before we even get into the questionable ethics of their bullying business practices, embargos, pricing structure, secrecy and all that other nonsense that sits beneath the surface.

And then this is exacerbated by the White Knights and their clueless "everything is fine, nothing is broken" attitute towards everything...

But I've gone on long enough...


As impassioned as your post is (and I do agree with almost all of the points), let's not forget that this isn't the first time you've said enough is enough... only to buy lots more a few weeks/months later. Remember the embargo kerfuffle?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=search&action=search&search_keywords=embargo&match_type=all&search_author=494&search_titles=0&forum=&daterange=-1&daterange2=0&sort_by=time&sort_dir=DESC&resulttype=1

You're a fanboy and there isn't anything wrong with that. You've also got a substantial collection and *NOT* using it punishes you, not GW. Just don't buy any more models and instead trade for what you want from your existing stock. Trading a ridiculously overpriced $20 model for another is leagues more palatable than buying it for $20.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
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What I mean by "done" is that I've reached the point where I don't want to be burnt any more.


I guess I feel that way, but I'm lucky in that my favorite army has always, always been Orks. I've never been a strong tournament player, and I've always been a "Collect the models I like" guy, even though that means I lose a LOT of games. These shenanigans have convinced me to unload my Chaos Marines, my Marines, my Necrons, and my Tyranids. I'll probably even offload the Space Wolves, though it pains me. I have held onto some Fantasy armies in the hopes that it will stop being a randomized suckfest, but that seems unlikely at this point.

I'm keeping my IG, but that's just because I have Praetorians.

I can stand all of their stupid practices with the orks, because I basically field one unit of everything. One set of Lobbas, one set of Zzap guns, etc. I do have multiple units of boys and nobs (some for every klan), but otherwise, I only have one unit of most things (I have multiple dreads, just to get almost all of the possible loadouts, etc). I hit the point about a month ago where I actually had ALL of the models that I wanted (other than some Forgeworld stuff). I'm looking forward to orks just to get new models!

So, I'm pretty insulated from edition changes and power creep and meta shifts. I don't have a lot of 'good stuff' nor do I have a lot of 'bad stuff'. However, I can't imagine how frustrating this whole thing is for the person with a competitive army or a themed army. "Just start over" seems to be their mantra at GW.

I would just shut up about it if GW was doing great. If I don't like the direction of the game, but sales are great, and your market share is growing, and your stock price is up? Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I'm just in the minority. When I don't like the direction of the game, and your share price is down, your sales are down, and your market share is shrinking? Maybe I'm onto something.

I really, really don't want to see GW go belly up, but they seem determined to get out of that hole by digging faster.

 
   
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So, is my $67 Space Marine codex I bought in September going to be 'invalid' in a couple of months for the NewER/EST/ Spe$$ Mahreen codex 7th Edition?

This might seem lame, But I do personal banking and my books say that I bought the 6th Ed Dark Angel Codex in JAN and the Space Marine Codex in SEPT. Doesn't this just feel like GW is dragging all of its players down some sort of glass lined hole? This sudden rush to sell as much paper and DLC as possible, as quick as possible. Yikes, you're background can only keep you afloat for so long guys... 40k is cool and we all LOVE it, but....
   
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 BarBoBot wrote:
omerakk wrote:
Let's be real. Crons were a 6e book, or at least designed for 6e.


I still giggle when I read that, even 2 years later


Well, the necrons book had things like "heavy" vehicles before 6th, as well as a reference to monstrous creatures going to ground, which wasnt possible in 5th. I'd say it was definitely written as a 6th Ed book.


That's all they had, a few vague references that ended up becoming real rules, as well as a long list of rules that got dropped or faq'ed to the extreme because they couldn't function correctly the following year. Not to mention a night scythe debacle where an over costed garbage transport no one used in 5th became an under costed power house they spawned immediate knee jerk reactions in the 6th edition codex's that followed.

It really gives the sense that the guys writing the codex and the guys writing the 6th rules were two separate teams with little communication between the two.

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I honestly am really looking forward to 7th edition and buying some Daemons to compliment my Chaos Space Marines from DV.

Going to be fun to summon Daemons. Oh and run around with 4+ T5 Oblits.

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 warboss wrote:
As impassioned as your post is (and I do agree with almost all of the points), let's not forget that this isn't the first time you've said enough is enough... only to buy lots more a few weeks/months later. Remember the embargo kerfuffle?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=search&action=search&search_keywords=embargo&match_type=all&search_author=494&search_titles=0&forum=&daterange=-1&daterange2=0&sort_by=time&sort_dir=DESC&resulttype=1


Yeah, and I basically stopped buying (until 6th Ed hit) other than the odd thing, from a discounter, if I could find one that didn't ream me on the shipping. You know what happened after the embargo hit? I discovered the world of games that were out there. Up until that point it was basically 40K with bits of BattleTech. I never branched out. I wouldn't even use non-GW models for GW games. The embargo was a line in the sand, but also an epiphany. I started looking elsewhere, and while I'm not suddenly a hardcore Warmahordes player or stalking the Corvus Belli guys for the next bit of Infinity news, I'm far more open to trying new things.

I'll say that again: Far more open to trying new things, like, for instance, the 6th edition of a game I love(d) after skipping two editions. And I got burned.

Again.

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 RedSarge wrote:
So, is my $67 Space Marine codex I bought in September going to be 'invalid' in a couple of months for the NewER/EST/ Spe$$ Mahreen codex 7th Edition?

Last rumored release lists I saw looked like this:

Spoiler:
via The Voice of the Chaos Gods
GW plans Events for an subsequently 30th Birthdays of Warhammer Fantasy. The new edition is supposed to be part of it. When exactly I can not say.

I "optimized" my release shedule:
LATE MAY
40k 7th Edition (as already official)

EARLY-MID JUNE
Orks
(New Codex and Models)

LATE JUNE
Ork Theme Apocalypse Supplement
(possible Invasion of Badlanding)

EARLY-MID JULY
Bretons
(Armybook and such things)

LATE JULY
Chaos Space Marines Sets and Supplement
(Legionary/Havoc/Chosen Box, old CSM Box remains)

EARLY AUGUST
40k New Starter Set
(DV Revised)

MID-LATE AUGUST
Blood Angels
(Vampires in Space! Codex and Models)

EARLY SEPTEMBER
Armageddon Apocalypse Supplement
(new and updated content)

MID SEPTEMBER
Warhammer Fantasy 9th Edition
(Such strange things called "Rules)

LATE SEPTEMBER - EARLY OCTOBER
Orcs and Goblins
(Armybook and new gitz)

MID OCTOBER
Fantasy Starter Set
(Empire vs. the green Guys)

LATE OCTOBER - EARLY NOVEMBER
Dark Eldar
(yes... Codex and Boxes)

MID-LATE NOVEMBER
EMPIRE
(A book with rules and models to play them, possibly new state troops, the design studio hates the current)

COMPLETE DECEMBER
The Hobbit and Scenery
(it calles "HObbit" not "BObiit"!)

JANUARY
Possible Space Wolves
(Vinkings in Space! Only without rob stupid christians )


So no. Also throwing dollar signs into words that you're intentionally misspell really isn't that clever. Honestly it just looks juvenile, like you're one of those "1337" kids from the late 90s.

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So Eldar can load a DE Raider full of Banshees now?


Please let this be true... ill put scorpions and harlequinns in there so fast...

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Would put money on H.B.M.C still actively participating here in GW related threads on 40K in 6 months.


I haven't bought a model or played 40K in two years and I still participate in GW relate threads on 40K.

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Would put money on H.B.M.C still actively participating here in GW related threads on 40K in 6 months.


Well of course. Why would I stop? I love 40K. I don't like GW or what they're doing with it, but I still like 40K.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 warboss wrote:
As impassioned as your post is (and I do agree with almost all of the points), let's not forget that this isn't the first time you've said enough is enough... only to buy lots more a few weeks/months later. Remember the embargo kerfuffle?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=search&action=search&search_keywords=embargo&match_type=all&search_author=494&search_titles=0&forum=&daterange=-1&daterange2=0&sort_by=time&sort_dir=DESC&resulttype=1


Yeah, and I basically stopped buying (until 6th Ed hit) other than the odd thing, from a discounter, if I could find one that didn't ream me on the shipping. You know what happened after the embargo hit? I discovered the world of games that were out there. Up until that point it was basically 40K with bits of BattleTech. I never branched out. I wouldn't even use non-GW models for GW games. The embargo was a line in the sand, but also an epiphany. I started looking elsewhere, and while I'm not suddenly a hardcore Warmahordes player or stalking the Corvus Belli guys for the next bit of Infinity news, I'm far more open to trying new things.

I'll say that again: Far more open to trying new things, like, for instance, the 6th edition of a game I love(d) after skipping two editions. And I got burned.

Again.



I only got burned once (back when they simultaneously increased prices AND did the finecast rollout) but I stuck with my decision to not start any new armies from that point on and largely shy away from buying unless it is 1) with money earned from selling existing stuff and 2) second hand. I've traded stuff (including an unfinished army for another) in the meantime plus traded for other figs but I haven't bought a new fig from GW since the GK figs I preordered came out other than last year's Gamesday mini. Being in Oz doesn't help but trading still might be an option. I've gotten in trades a few items that otherwise I wouldn't have bought because I've largely given up on GW. I still buy the codex books for my existing armies but I don't buy any more just for reference like I used to do back in 3rd-5th. You'll obviously have to wait for "new" releases to become old enough for them to appear in people's trade "haves" but they do inevitably appear there.

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 puma713 wrote:
I haven't bought a model or played 40K in two years and I still participate in GW relate threads on 40K.


Well clearly we're doing it wrong puma. We have to leave and never talk about it ever again, and never speak to anyone who still does speak about it, because apparently 40K is now scientology.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
I haven't bought a model or played 40K in two years and I still participate in GW relate threads on 40K.


Well clearly we're doing it wrong puma. We have to leave and never talk about it ever again, and never speak to anyone who still does speak about it, because apparently 40K is now scientology.


That is obviously not what I meant.

I just don't get people who spend allot of time here on something that frustrates them so much.
   
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I'll always be around for snarky remarks. It's too entertaining not to.

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What I mean by "done" is that I've reached the point where I don't want to be burnt any more. I know I've said this at least twice already during the course of this long and winding thread, but I hated 4th and 5th to the point where I didn't buy anything for them, but with 6th I saw things that were (in my mind) improvements over the previous two editions. So many of my personal "deal-breakers" (especially the ones from the 5th Ed vehicle rules) were removed, and while I still dislike Hull Points and the idiotic method of casualty removal in 6th it was a level of bull gak that I was willing to accept for what was otherwise a better rule set than the previous to. And I bought into it. I got the rulebook, the starter box, Apoc, all the Warzones (other than Damocles, as I didn't know it was limited edition), all the psychic cards even for the armies I didn't play, the Apoc Cards, templates, Escalation, Strongpoint Assault. Everything. I was fully invested and it felt good to be 'back in the game', so to speak.

But now? My cards are invalidated, my rulebook is worthless, my supplement books (Strongpoint and Escalation) aren't worth the paper they're printed on and once again Apoc is a set of rules written for a different edition. And all of this took place within two years of the previous edition. Two years! That's ludicrous. I could almost live with it if 7th Ed was GW making a new edition to fix the problems of 6th - like a 'break glass in case of stupidity' situation where they've seen what 40K has become (allies shenanigans, dataslates, and other nonsense) and they decided the best way to fix it was to tear the Band-Aid off quickly and reset everything with a new edition. But they're not doing that. They're adding more extraneous nonsense. More charts. More things to roll on. More cards (which I refuse to buy now). More dataslates (which are just DLC... and I have real problems with DLC that extend way beyond GW's method of selling them). More blatant disregard for the fluff (now Eldar can summon Slaaneshi Daemons every turn, Inquisitors and Dark Angels are BFFs, Dark Eldar would totally ally with a Slaaneshi Daemon army... but Guard will never ally with Chaos because Traitor Guard and reasons reasons reasons). The game has become "buy all our playsets and toys", where simply buying GW minis is the HHHobby rather than using them. And now we don't even have the certainty that what we have will stick around for any length of time. This edition is to fill a checkbox and make a full year report look better (because the half-year looked bad). It's cynical, and as I said a couple of pages back I am certain that Jervis' team holds an utterly different view of what 40K is and how it operates, and as tired as it is to make fun of the narrative forging and all that you can see how they see it as the most important thing, and that's a shame because they act as is having a balanced game with a tight and consistent set of rules (as opposed to a set of rules one might call unbound - geddit?) is mutually exclusive to forging another bloody narrative.

And I can't do it anymore!

I'm not a kid any more, playing 40K with his friends during school holidays or on weekends while at Uni. There are far better representations of 40K out there (the RPGs, which I adored before my personal bias of writing the RPG's became a factor), and they don't require wrestling with GW's inability to write a coherent and consistent set of rules. And that's before we even get into the questionable ethics of their bullying business practices, embargos, pricing structure, secrecy and all that other nonsense that sits beneath the surface.

And then this is exacerbated by the White Knights and their clueless "everything is fine, nothing is broken" attitute towards everything...

But I've gone on long enough...

My thoughts and feelings exactly.



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bodazoka wrote:
That is obviously not what I meant.


Clearly not obvious enough...

bodazoka wrote:
I just don't get people who spend allot of time here on something that frustrates them so much.


Just as I don't get people who seem to think that liking 40K = liking GW, when it is in fact possible to like one and dislike the other.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
I haven't bought a model or played 40K in two years and I still participate in GW relate threads on 40K.


Well clearly we're doing it wrong puma. We have to leave and never talk about it ever again, and never speak to anyone who still does speak about it, because apparently 40K is now scientology.


I thought it was fight club.

Not directed at you guys, but the rate of rage quitting to returning to 40k on dakkadakka gets almost embarrassing.

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 BarBoBot wrote:
Has anything changed with the selection of psychic powers? Is a mastery 1 psyker still forbidden from keeping a mastery 2 power if its rolled?

If so, then the conjuration powers will require a mastery 3 psyker and it would be their only power.


I wouldn't think so, considering that 3 of the primaris powers (Santic: Banishment, Malefic: Summoning and Divinationrescience) are warp charge 2+. Though I could be surprised. Especially before, the idea was that you only had enough warp charges each = mastery levels, so you couldn't possibly cast WC2 spells. However now there seems to be a pool of WC dice, plus D6, so the minimum WC you have with one psyker is 2.



Are we absolutely certain about the mechanics of casting powers? This is the way I understand it currently:
1) You generate (sum of your mastery levels)+D6 warp charges at the start of your psychic phase
2) You select a psyker, choose a power to cast, and an amount out of your total warp charges to cast it with
3) Roll X dice, any 4+s are successes. 2 or more 6's is perils?? (that seems odd, perils will be very common that way :/)
4) Your opponent can try to deny, needing to get the same amount of successes that you did. They need natural 6's against blessings(/conjurations?) but possibly better than that against other powers
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
bodazoka wrote:
That is obviously not what I meant.


Clearly not obvious enough...

bodazoka wrote:
I just don't get people who spend allot of time here on something that frustrates them so much.


Just as I don't get people who seem to think that liking 40K = liking GW, when it is in fact possible to like one and dislike the other.


I never said you couldn't?

You seem to be reading too much into what I am asking.
   
 
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