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2021/09/22 06:24:33
Subject: Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Been Around the Block
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Let's say the there is an Assault Squad and one model has a special weapon, let's say a Flamer. The unit is within 6" of the Company Ancient for the Astartes Banner ability but also was charged by its mirror image and takes some casualties. The model with a special weapon gets it's 4+, so can it shoot it's Flamer (Locked in Combat is only for the Shooting phase and we aren't technically in the shooting phase) or only make a melee swing? If the squad is completely wiped out, does this change? What if it was a Plasma Pistol instead?
I am pretty sure it's still locked in combat (which locks the flamer but not the pistol), but would be nice if it was otherwise.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/09/22 06:28:37
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2021/09/22 06:31:06
Subject: Re:Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Dakka Veteran
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The normal restriction applies. You cannot shoot an assault weapon into close combat. A pistol would be fine.
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2021/09/22 06:48:16
Subject: Re:Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Agreed. Shooting with a pistol while still in engagement range is fine, other weapon types cant be fired. If a model uses an "as if" rule, all the normal rules from that phase still apply.
OUT OF PHASE RULES
Some rules allow a model or unit to move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power outside of the normal turn sequence. If such a rule explicitly mentions to do so as if it were a different phase than the current one (e.g. ‘that unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase), then any rules that are normally used in that phase (in the example, this would be the Shooting phase) apply when that unit shoots.
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2021/09/22 13:56:48
Subject: Re:Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Confessor Of Sins
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The model is allowed to shoot as if it were the Shooting phase. During the shooting phase, you cannot shoot with a model that is in a unit that is within Engagement Range of any enemy unit, except with a Pistol. As the Flamer is not a Pistol, it cannot be fired. You also cannot fire at an enemy unit that is within Engagement Range of a friendly unit, unless you are using a Pistol and the target unit is the closes enemy unit to the model.
So it's time to shoot that Bolt/Plasma Pistol.
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2021/09/22 20:36:57
Subject: Re:Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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alextroy wrote:You also cannot fire at an enemy unit that is within Engagement Range of a friendly unit, unless you are using a Pistol and the target unit is the closes enemy unit to the model.
Where is this rule, in an FAQ?
I could not find it in the books.
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2021/09/22 21:06:56
Subject: Re:Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Fresh-Faced New User
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alextroy wrote:The model is allowed to shoot as if it were the Shooting phase. During the shooting phase, you cannot shoot with a model that is in a unit that is within Engagement Range of any enemy unit, except with a Pistol. As the Flamer is not a Pistol, it cannot be fired. You also cannot fire at an enemy unit that is within Engagement Range of a friendly unit, unless you are using a Pistol and the target unit is the closes enemy unit to the model.
Pistol rules on p218 in the BRB let you ignore the rule that prohibits firing into melee (p217 of the BRB - Locked in Combat).
But only if the firing unit is also in engagement range with the target unit.
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2021/09/22 21:29:19
Subject: Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You missed DRs point - there is no closest requirement. Just engagement range.
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2021/09/22 21:52:08
Subject: Company Ancient/Astartes Banner - Shooting while locked in combat
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Confessor Of Sins
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Sorry. 8th edition hangover there.
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