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Made in au
Regular Dakkanaut




[Updated list in a later post. Ignore this list.]

2000 point Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Chaos Marines list. Looking for overall feedback on obvious weaknesses in a competitive setting, as well as confirmation I'm not breaking any rules (played nothing since 2nd and 3rd ed...).

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HQ:

Lord of Change - Rod of Sorcery
Keeper of Secrets

Elites:

8 Terminators and Sorcerer (HQ)

Troops:

15 Pink Horrors
-Icon
24 Daemonettes
-Icon
15 Pink Horrors
23 Daemonettes

Flyer:

Heldrake

Fast Attack:

5 Seekers
-Icon
5 Seekers
-Icon

Heavy Support:

Exalted Seeker Chariot
5 Havocs - 4 heavy weapons (autocannon, havoc launcher, heavy bolter, lascannon)
Exalted Seeker Chariot

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I *think* this is correct at about 2000 points, and fits the rules of army composition... Let me know if I messed up!

I haven't bought anything yet, so this is definitely mutable. The idea is that it's a Slaanesh army with Tzeentch backup and chaos marine support. The terminators and sorcerer would deep strike after the main army had advanced, and the havocs would do pot shots where applicable. The heldrake looks pretty so I want one... Not sure how useful it'll be though. Not sure about the exalted chariots... Could potentially replace 1 of those with more seekers. I'd be going for speed and overwhelming the enemy, mostly with infantry. 30 pink horrors become 60 blue horrors, yeah? That's a lot of wounds!

Any help appreciated! Thanks!

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/10/06 05:49:07


 
   
Made in se
Regular Dakkanaut




Welcome back!
I’m not a pro in 9th Ed rules so others will have to confirm or deny what I’m saying.

First thing I see as a big problem is that your army is using “Chaos” as the keyword in mixing units from both codex, that’s not legal not my knowledge.
If you want to mix units you need another keyword for this such as Tzeentch or Slaanesh.

As for the splitting of horrors, you need points for this. So if you have 1990p in your army then you can only split one pink into two blue and no more. (5p each)

About your list tho.
Keeper will likely die before making it to combat then you Lord of changes next in line.
I would personally aim for one detachment with either Slaanesh daemons or Tzeentch and then another detachment with CSM with a lord or sorcerer who then can summon your horrors or demonettes. Same thing here though, you need points not used to use for the summoned unit.

I’ve tried a Slaanesh theam before with 2-3 Keeper of secrets, some small units of demonettes for object grabbing and then the rest into CSM.
CSM was something like 2 lord discordant and a heldrake or two and maulerfiends. They have good synergy with each other but they really take up the board!!

I think the heldrake got the keyword “aircraft” now since last I played mine and that would be a downgrade IMO.
Working right now so this was what I could come up with now and if someone can confirm what I said or deny it, that would be great.
   
Made in au
Regular Dakkanaut




Oh! I had no idea I'd need to use extra points for pink-to-blue horror splitting! Thanks.

Also, the guy at the store told me that Chaos was the keyword I needed, because all 3 have it in their keyword lists... This is something I'm really unsure about, though.

Also unsure about the different detachment labels.

Thanks!


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Haven't figured out the points, but I'm thinking I might drop some infantry to afford some blue horrors (maybe drop 10ish infantry for 15ish blue horrors?) and possibly change 1 chariot to a predator, just for some variety. Not sure if that makes the army any better...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/10/05 22:18:16


 
   
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin





Livermore, Ca

If you want to do this 'broken" detachment thing where you match keywords... you need to match something like nurgle daemon. Its rare that you'd want to do it, its rare that it works better than using normal detachments. And if your are just getting started again, do not use an advanced force organization until you know why you'd want to do it. (and based on what I see you have, I wouldn't pidgeon hole yourself with it, you won't be able to use stratagems.... from either codex, if I recall correctly, unless you also have a legal detachment from one or both codex's to go with it).

Why don't you run a Chaos Daemon battalion and a Chaos space marine patrol.

The only thing from what I see that you are missing to make that work is a single chaos space marine troop unit (10 cultists at 50pts, or 5 chaos space marines (70pts?)
   
Made in au
Regular Dakkanaut




So if I had some marine troops, the army composition would be legal?

I could do that, I think... Maybe drop a chariot for a squad of marines? Because I definitely want Slaanesh, Tzeentch *and* CSM.


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For stylistic reasons rather than tactical reasons.


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Okay, updated list! This is 2500 points approximately. I can mess with points values based on extra wargear, so I don't care if this is exactly 2500 or not.

The idea is that this would be an entire collection. In a 1500-point game, I'd take just the Slaanesh and Tzeentch daemons. On 2500 points, I'd take the lot. In 2000, I'd mess about with the list to taste.

Now, I don't actually own a rulebook right now (just CSM and daemons codexes), and don't understand the whole "battalion vs. patrol etc." rules. Hopefully this list is legal, or else I'll have to make more adjustments.

Thanks in advance!

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Approx. 2500 points

HQ:

Lord of Change - Rod of Sorcery
Keeper of Secrets
Keeper of Secrets

Elites:

8 Terminators and Sorcerer (HQ)

Troops:

15 Pink Horrors
-Icon
24 Daemonettes
-Icon
15 Pink Horrors
23 Daemonettes
15 Blue Horrors
5-10 Marines

Flyer:

Heldrake

Fast Attack:

5 Seekers
-Icon
5 Seekers
-Icon

Heavy Support:

Exalted Seeker Chariot
5 Havocs - 4 heavy weapons (autocannon, havoc launcher, heavy bolter, lascannon)
Exalted Seeker Chariot
Predator

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Thanks again.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2021/10/06 01:53:46


 
   
Made in us
Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin





Livermore, Ca

Chaos Daemons Batallion (-0 CP, because of warlord, otherwise 3cp)
HQ (2-3 Required)
Lord of Change - (Make this guy warlord with impossible robe and ephemoral form and exhalted from appropiate psychic awakening book)
Keeper of Secrets
Keeper of Secrets

Troops: 3 to 6 required)
30 Pink Horrors (Icon + Banner)
(15 blue horrors, have these come in as you lose pink horrors)
10 Daemonettes
10 Daemonettes
10 daemonettes
10 daemonettes

Fast Attack (up to 3 max)
5 Seekers - icon
5 Seekers - icon

(Heavy Support (up to 3 max)
Exalted Seeker Chariot
Exalted Seeker Chariot


Chaos Space Marines Patrol (-2cp)
HQ (1 to 2 allowed)
Sorcerer
Elites (up to 2 max)
8 Terminators
Troops (1 to 3 allowed)
5-10 Marines
Flyer:(up to 2 max)
Heldrake
Heavy (up to 2 max)
5 Havocs - 4 heavy weapons (autocannon, havoc launcher, heavy bolter, lascannon)
Predator


I think you got a decent 1500pt daemon list, your chaos space marines need a lot of work to keep up though. I don't run my chaos space marines anymore, waiting for the new codex.


   
Made in au
Regular Dakkanaut




So it'd be a legal army composition then? Awesome!

The chaos units would simply be support rather than a thing of their own.

Thanks!
   
 
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