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So yeah i know it could be cringy but i heard mods in most places don't get paid for doing mod work. Is there some sort of benefits you guys get or can get that'd make you want to Mod the forums more. Most of the complaints seem more to do with current online mods which at any given point seems like 2 Mods for the whole forum.

I mean i wouldn't want to Mod even if i believed i stayed within the rules. From what i've heard by a Mod it's just taxing to love the forum and just not want to go there because modding is such a hassle and friends were lost due to not giving preferential treatment. It's more doing the modding because they like the community which is honestly kind of depressing since i barely want to come here and i don't have any duties to the forum.

Honestly i used to give Mods more crap because i believed they were paid and compensated and in a small forum it's not as big of a deal. So i dunno maybe cut the Mods some benefits provided they don't get any?

Anyway this thread might go to Off-topic but i figured Nuts and Bolts works too since it's a modding situation.


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Man, you showed up in the (strangely deleted) community thread to defend enthno-nationalists. You are the last damn person ought to be talking this gak.
   
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Catulle wrote:
Man, you showed up in the (strangely deleted) community thread to defend enthno-nationalists. You are the last damn person ought to be talking this gak.


Buddy first off i took a break and didn't see that crap till hours later. Secondly why do you need to derail this that hard?

As far as the discord goes i never really saw that because most of my experience with Evil Warhammer Man is his youtube channel.

If you want to take this to dm's then fine but i'm not really in the mood for this.

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If mods want to do a lighter touch to save their own sanity I get that. What irks me is double standards.

Catulle wrote:
Man, you showed up in the (strangely deleted) community thread to defend enthno-nationalists. You are the last damn person ought to be talking this gak.
That may be the case but right now, in the context of this thread, you are the one being disruptive. Take it elsewhere.

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I can't speak for Dakka, but I know that Bartertown and many other gaming forums are 100% voluntary. They only payment they get is goodwill from the site owner(s) and the joy of helping out the community they love.

Forum moderators and Admin take way more hell from people than they should, who think they should just have the right to do whatever they want, say whatever they want, etc.

On BTown, we've had a couple staffers quit over the year because they just got tired of the abuse from people.
Even if you use a banhammer on someone, another butthole will just come along later.

In the end, just remember that the Mods are here because they want the forum to be fun for everyone. So be cool to them.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If mods want to do a lighter touch to save their own sanity I get that. What irks me is double standards.

Catulle wrote:
Man, you showed up in the (strangely deleted) community thread to defend enthno-nationalists. You are the last damn person ought to be talking this gak.
'That may be the case but right now, in the context of this thread, you are the one being disruptive. Take it elsewhere.


Right now, the context of this thread is the degree of moderation that is desirable - I pointed at the OP's contention that more moderation would be desirable, illustrated how full-throated defence of ethno-nationalist rubbish will not only *not* be moderated but will be scrubbed from the site rather than deal with the actual nazis (and I don't use that lightly, we have literally had people posting here with swastikas in their avatars) in our midst. The OP being a prime example of such that I could point to had not a collaborator on the mod team locked us out of seeing that thread

That is an enormous problem.
   
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A prime example of what? I swear i'm holding myself back so hard right now. You realize i'm half jewish right? My mother was jewish (making me jewish by blood) and i'm autistic. The fact you think i'd be pro-nazi is disgusting and insulting to me.

I already said once before i didn't see the discord thing on Arch because i only watch him on youtube and what are you even talking about swastikas? That is the biggest pile of crap i'd ever heard.

This is highly off topic and if you want to take it somewhere then take it to PM's.

Also i doubt a mod member was a "collaborator" of anything. The mod member probably didn't want toxicity from that thread ending up somewhere else and yet here you are following me around.

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Btw in case anybody was wondering this dude's entire idea of me being a nazi is the fact i thought Arch was merely a jerk at worst. Wasn't entirely aware of all his discord ramblings because i only watched him on youtube where he's infinitely more toned down. Discord has a way of really pushing Echo Chambers.

Sides i'm sure my black and non white friends, and care-givers (for my autism) and co-workers i've had would find that a disgusting mischaracterization.

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Catulle wrote:

Right now, the context of this thread is the degree of moderation that is desirable - I pointed at the OP's contention that more moderation would be desirable, illustrated how full-throated defence of ethno-nationalist rubbish will not only *not* be moderated but will be scrubbed from the site rather than deal with the actual nazis (and I don't use that lightly, we have literally had people posting here with swastikas in their avatars) in our midst. The OP being a prime example of such that I could point to had not a collaborator on the mod team locked us out of seeing that thread

That is an enormous problem.

The thread in question wasn't removed to cover anything up. It was removed because it was a completely inappropriate train-wreck, and cleaning it up would have been more work than it was worth. This happens when people choose to pile on and escalate things, or persist in continuing off-topic or inappropriate discussion rather than reporting it.


For the sake of this thread, it would be appreciated if everyone refrains from continuing arguments from elsewhere.


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So yeah i know it could be cringy but i heard mods in most places don't get paid for doing mod work. Is there some sort of benefits you guys get or can get that'd make you want to Mod the forums more. Most of the complaints seem more to do with current online mods which at any given point seems like 2 Mods for the whole forum.

All of the moderators are unpaid volunteers, who do the job because they want to contribute to the community. Some mods are more visible than others, either due to time commitments or simply because some prefer to handle more of the 'behind the scenes' type stuff.

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Yes but that doesn't entirely help the modding problem. A mod that helped chat with me once somewhere else is kind of a friend now and I gave him a steam game for free because he nodded 4 to 5 areas no payment. I honestly just felt kinda bad for him.

Perhaps I could do something like that again for a mod or two I like provided they dont receive other benefits. I imagine we can be a bit hard to deal with sometimes. I don't think it'd be a big game tho.

Unless you guys have a better idea that'd help.

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Sign up for DCM is all I expect we can officially do.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/core/services_dcm.jsp
If the site is paid for, and some of that can spill over to the Mods somehow, I'm all up for that.
But, if a Mod is a Mod for the perks, that's a different sort of Mod.

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I moderate on other sites and direct insults are honestly on the rare side. The real pains come with sly insults that insult the "moderating team" as a whole or "the site". These often come from people disgruntled over something, but often won't put any work into resolving it or helping toward it or even having a clear idea what is wrong. They just generally lash out and complain.


Another aspect is that you often end up having to moderate people who you know through the forum. Most often for really childish things too - two people get in an argument, decide that they are bitter enemies and go on a spree of insulting each other at every chance they get. Totally childish, but it happens and then you've got to step in and moderate both and you get the "well I didn't start it, they started it" etc....



That said trying to give mods gifts probably wouldn't help. It's a nice gesture, but its rather like giving a policeman a gift - its sort of leaning toward bribery even if its not intended.


In general the best thing you can do to help is to just behave, encourage others to behave; don't get involved in fights; generally stay "on topic" and to use the report feature to highlight problems to the mods.
After that just be an active contributing user. In general mods love the site they moderate on and people who are doing projects; sharing painted models; doing videos; talking about conversions; welcoming and helping new people - all that stuff is how you "reward" mods.

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 Overread wrote:

In general the best thing you can do to help is to just behave, encourage others to behave; don't get involved in fights; generally stay "on topic" and to use the report feature to highlight problems to the mods.
After that just be an active contributing user. In general mods love the site they moderate on and people who are doing projects; sharing painted models; doing videos; talking about conversions; welcoming and helping new people - all that stuff is how you "reward" mods.

Exactly this. The best way to help the mods is to do your bit to make the forum a better place.

Although those DCM sign ups do help to keep the lights on, so are also appreciated.

 
   
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What about dakka's personal tabletop game. If I got that would it help too? Some of the dudes in your game look sweet last I checked.

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Big problems here

- Self appointed authorities who think they are mods and willfully try to get people banned and exiled because of their absolutism and authoritarian bents .

- A lack of transparency in the moderation leads to mistrust and views towards preferential and unfair treatment even if its not actually happening.

- Nebulous statement-instructions from moderators which are next to useless at explaining specifics and don't explain anything.

- Mods closing threads without comments - more lack of transparency. Not exactly good for cultivating trust within a discussion group.

- Dumb punishments like removing quick reply function

- Mods using the Spam rule when the post clearly was on topic. If you want to punish me, go ahead. But be honest about it, don't trump up a nonsense reason like "SPAM".

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 GoldenHorde wrote:

- A lack of transparency in the moderation leads to mistrust and views towards preferential and unfair treatment even if its not actually happening.


What does this mean? The mods on this site are some of the most transparent ones around. I remember going on some forums back in the day, and mods would lock threads with messages as vague as "this is a troll." Say what you will about everything else, but this one's flat-out wrong.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:

- A lack of transparency in the moderation leads to mistrust and views towards preferential and unfair treatment even if its not actually happening.


What does this mean? The mods on this site are some of the most transparent ones around. I remember going on some forums back in the day, and mods would lock threads with messages as vague as "this is a troll." Say what you will about everything else, but this one's flat-out wrong.


Locked threads with no comment at all?

Eg.,

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/801326.page


I put a lot of effort in that thread just for it to be shitted on by mods.
At least return a token effort. Even a snotty gif would be something.


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Yeah, in my dealings with the mods, usually they are really professional (not sure this is the right word bc they don't get paid) and fair with their judgements. If you PM them about something, they get back to you really quickly, and explain things in a really rational way. Every time I've run afoul of them, it's because I was the one who was out of pocket. Even then, recently I PM'd a mod about some concerns I'd had, and the reply I got from Vaktathi was great. IDK man, if you're having troubles, maybe go and re-read the rules to see what you might be doing wrong, or else ask a mod to help you understand why certain stuff you posted has been a problem?
   
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 posermcbogus wrote:
Yeah, in my dealings with the mods, usually they are really professional (not sure this is the right word bc they don't get paid) and fair with their judgements. If you PM them about something, they get back to you really quickly, and explain things in a really rational way. Every time I've run afoul of them, it's because I was the one who was out of pocket. Even then, recently I PM'd a mod about some concerns I'd had, and the reply I got from Vaktathi was great. IDK man, if you're having troubles, maybe go and re-read the rules to see what you might be doing wrong, or else ask a mod to help you understand why certain stuff you posted has been a problem?


Who am I PM'ing when I don't know who locked the thread exactly?

It's up to them to be transparent.
PM'ing them doesn't make it transparent either.

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
Yeah, in my dealings with the mods, usually they are really professional (not sure this is the right word bc they don't get paid) and fair with their judgements. If you PM them about something, they get back to you really quickly, and explain things in a really rational way. Every time I've run afoul of them, it's because I was the one who was out of pocket. Even then, recently I PM'd a mod about some concerns I'd had, and the reply I got from Vaktathi was great. IDK man, if you're having troubles, maybe go and re-read the rules to see what you might be doing wrong, or else ask a mod to help you understand why certain stuff you posted has been a problem?


Who am I PM'ing when I don't know who locked the thread exactly?

It's up to them to be transparent.
PM'ing them doesn't make it transparent either.



PM'ing whoever the mod on deck is usually works for me - if they aren't the person who shut your thread, they'll be able to find who did, and make you privy to those decisions. Ya might have to wait an hour or two, because timezones, but them's the breaks, friend.

As for the second bit - like, it's not like they're unwilling to talk about it - you just have to ask sometimes. Yeah, some threads get a closing thing from the mods, but it's usually just
"This has got too heated, knock it off. I'm old yeller-ing this thread." and that's kinda it.
We're not really owed transparency, this is just a forum for talking about little plastic space men, and we do it at the discretion of Yakface and his team. I like the rules, and I usually like the atmosphere here, so it works for me. Idk what else I can tell you if you don't want to try to talk to the mods about it.

   
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 posermcbogus wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
Yeah, in my dealings with the mods, usually they are really professional (not sure this is the right word bc they don't get paid) and fair with their judgements. If you PM them about something, they get back to you really quickly, and explain things in a really rational way. Every time I've run afoul of them, it's because I was the one who was out of pocket. Even then, recently I PM'd a mod about some concerns I'd had, and the reply I got from Vaktathi was great. IDK man, if you're having troubles, maybe go and re-read the rules to see what you might be doing wrong, or else ask a mod to help you understand why certain stuff you posted has been a problem?


Who am I PM'ing when I don't know who locked the thread exactly?

It's up to them to be transparent.
PM'ing them doesn't make it transparent either.



PM'ing whoever the mod on deck is usually works for me - if they aren't the person who shut your thread, they'll be able to find who did, and make you privy to those decisions. Ya might have to wait an hour or two, because timezones, but them's the breaks, friend.

As for the second bit - like, it's not like they're unwilling to talk about it - you just have to ask sometimes. Yeah, some threads get a closing thing from the mods, but it's usually just
"This has got too heated, knock it off. I'm old yeller-ing this thread." and that's kinda it.
We're not really owed transparency, this is just a forum for talking about little plastic space men, and we do it at the discretion of Yakface and his team. I like the rules, and I usually like the atmosphere here, so it works for me. Idk what else I can tell you if you don't want to try to talk to the mods about it.



It's up to them with act with principles of transparency or not. Never said anything about being "owed" anything.
Chit chatting to them in the shadows isn't really going to resolve that.

The irony of supposedly breaking a spam rule "overly repetitive, devoid of substantial content or is simply banal " when the moderator hands you a generic punishment script that itself hits those parameters itself is funny to me.

Do you really want me to try PM'ing that mod and making fun of that to them? Do you think it will go well for me>?

Like arguing with bouncers, there's no point....and just a folly of the stupid to do so.

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Sounds like you have your answer there, friend. Perhaps if you're getting this upset about it, you should take a wee break from Dakka, and try to focus on another part of the hobby. Burnout is real hahaha.
   
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 posermcbogus wrote:
Sounds like you have your answer there, friend. Perhaps if you're getting this upset about it, you should take a wee break from Dakka, and try to focus on another part of the hobby. Burnout is real hahaha.


Well I reported someone in this thread, lets see if actual action is taken or if double standards apply.

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:

- A lack of transparency in the moderation leads to mistrust and views towards preferential and unfair treatment even if its not actually happening.


What does this mean? The mods on this site are some of the most transparent ones around. I remember going on some forums back in the day, and mods would lock threads with messages as vague as "this is a troll." Say what you will about everything else, but this one's flat-out wrong.


Locked threads with no comment at all?

Eg.,

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/801326.page


I put a lot of effort in that thread just for it to be shitted on by mods.
At least return a token effort. Even a snotty gif would be something.




Honestly, that post just INVITES political talk, I can understand why it would get shut down

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
- Self appointed authorities who think they are mods and willfully try to get people banned and exiled because of their absolutism and authoritarian bents .

I not sure what power you think anyone other than a mod has with regards to suspending other posters' accounts, but this isn't actually a thing. The most that someone else can do is report your posts, and it will be up to the mods to determine what, if any, action needs to be taken with them. The only way regular users on the forum can 'get people banned' is if they report posts that warrant the poster being removed.


- Dumb punishments like removing quick reply function

Removing quick reply temporarily from posters who have received warnings for posting inappropriately is intended to force them to pause before posting. That little bit of extra time and effort required to post without it is often sufficient to allow someone to rethink whether that knee-jerk or off-the-cuff comment is actually worth it.

In other words, it's less a 'punishment' and more an encouragement to stop and think about what you're posting.


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Locked threads with no comment at all?

Eg.,

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/801326.page


I put a lot of effort in that thread just for it to be shitted on by mods.
At least return a token effort. Even a snotty gif would be something.

That was me. I have added a note to the thread, but I locked it last night on my way to bed, when it had generated a list of alerts that were almost longer than the actual thread.

It was a borderline topic to begin with, and as it went on it became increasingly apparent that it was going to wind up a discussion of real-world politics rather than sticking to gaming.

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
Sounds like you have your answer there, friend. Perhaps if you're getting this upset about it, you should take a wee break from Dakka, and try to focus on another part of the hobby. Burnout is real hahaha.


Well I reported someone in this thread, lets see if actual action is taken or if double standards apply.



In my experience a lot of people who report things and want to see "action taken" basically expect to see either public shake downs of the person or banning/suspensions. All three being things that are unlikely; public insults/take downs are rare on most stable/sane sites whilst in my experience most mods generally dislike using suspensions/bans. Most of the time they will talk to someone about the issue or issue a warning and such. Ergo things that happen in private. You might report something and see no change at all in the site; which doesn't mean "nothing happened".

Of course if that person then goes on to repeat the behaviour AND if its reported (so mods see it) then repeated offences would escalate something.

In general I observe that a lot of people talk about "power hungry mods banning people" in the same breath as they "decry moderators not taking firm enough action".

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I'd just like to say that I have always appreciated the mods on this site (even when they have told me off ), in general I think that they are a fair, even-handed bunch. It must be a pain having to deal with some of the more irate posters, especially when there is no tangible reward.

Also, I've noticed that they are much less of a presence these days, IMHO to the detriment of Dakka. Maybe it's just me, but the anti-GW spam posts seem to be much higher these days than they used to be.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:

- A lack of transparency in the moderation leads to mistrust and views towards preferential and unfair treatment even if its not actually happening.


What does this mean? The mods on this site are some of the most transparent ones around. I remember going on some forums back in the day, and mods would lock threads with messages as vague as "this is a troll." Say what you will about everything else, but this one's flat-out wrong.


Locked threads with no comment at all?

Eg.,

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/801326.page


I put a lot of effort in that thread just for it to be shitted on by mods.
At least return a token effort. Even a snotty gif would be something.




Honestly, that post just INVITES political talk, I can understand why it would get shut down


The thread started as political talk. I couldn’t believe the MODs let individuals reply to it and didn’t immediately lock it down. The MODs here are fair and actually follow the rules while enforcing the rules. Better site management than most forums I’ve been on.
   
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I rail against Mods in every context just because they are Mods.

It's a way of making them feel appreciated, if no one ever engaged in questionable behavior there would no reason for them to exist. The Internet is an anonymous, dehumanizing place and doing the right thing often means making someone feel important (including by doing the wrong thing.)

But honestly - the Mods here are less restrictive than the users. Most of the times I've been part of a thread that was shut down, I agreed with the decision.

   
 
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