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The new primaris neophytes are a great bit larger than the old scouts and better proportioned. As I already have some assault interessors I would like to convert some more neophytes to make Crusade Squads out of them (as neophytes are mandatory for crusade squads).

But what would be the best base model for primaris neophytes? Necromunda Goliaths are roughly the same size. Maybe combined with existing scout upper body parts (I already got some lying around)?
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Scout Size Comparison

   
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Savannah

Palanite Enforcers look pretty good as scout equivalents, if you want to go that route. The kit's got plenty of bolters, pistols, and shotguns (so you wouldn't even need the upgrade sprue), but you'd have to source any chainswords you wanted elsewhere and you only get a couple of bare heads. You could even run a bit of guitar wire along the top of the cuirass to mimic that detail on the official ones, as there are some pretty convenient attachment points on the armor.

Alternatively, you could take some assault intercessors and snip off the extra armor plates that hang from the waist at the thighs and back, trim/file the shoulder pads smooth, and either omit the backpacks (you'll have a hole to fill and peg to remove, then a blank space to detail - relics, books, scrolls, pouches, etc. could work) or cut off the rounded top vents and the rectangular bottom vents on the packs to slim down their silhouette and make them look a little more lightly armored. You might need to square off the bottom part and lower the packs, too, to really sell the look. Further visual cues, like bare heads on the neophytes and helmets on the initiates (plus lots of scale chain and relic-y bits), to help distinguish them never hurts, either.
   
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Seeing as I have all of the above to hand, I thought I'd post a quick size comparison:



The Palanite Enforcer is noticably bigger than the old Scout. The Goliath is so big that it's questionable if he'd even be able to fit in Primaris armour, so I'd avoid that as a base even though they have some more dynamic poses than the Palanites. The Palanite model can work for the torso, legs and arms (as demonstrated by elescapo), with your choice of marine or scout head and optionally some marine shoulder pads with the trim removed, but if you wanted bare arms you'd have to go hunting (if only the Catachan command squad had been followed by an updated Catachan infantry squad).

If you're set on using the old scout torsos, I think it could work if you got rid of and then resculpted the abdomen area, which would let you sort out the wasp waist and add a little extra length at the same time. Bonus points at that stage if you were able to sculpt similar tabards to the new neophytes.

I'm not entirely convinced on the shaved down Intercessors idea, as the whole Scout aesthetic relies on trousers rather than armour plating, and Intercessor legs just seem too massive. Phobos armour can definitely work well as Pete the Wargamer shows, especially when crossed with Goliath legs and arms.

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Oh, I agree Reivers would be a better "light armor" base, but the op mentioned already having some assault intercessors, and that'd save him a purchase. Thin them out a bit, chop up the backpack, and you'd be close enough, I imagine.

On that note, though, how big is the smaller shoulder pad on phobos in comparison to the "sub-pad" that sits under their normal sized marine shoulder pad? I don't actually own any to check myself.
   
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 Trimarius wrote:
Oh, I agree Reivers would be a better "light armor" base, but the op mentioned already having some assault intercessors, and that'd save him a purchase. Thin them out a bit, chop up the backpack, and you'd be close enough, I imagine.

On that note, though, how big is the smaller shoulder pad on phobos in comparison to the "sub-pad" that sits under their normal sized marine shoulder pad? I don't actually own any to check myself.


I meant I got Assault Intercessors I wanted to use for Crusade Squads... I just needed the Neophytes.

As Reivers were Power Armour and not the "Scout" armour of Neos I'm not sure they are a good fit. Maybe the torsos?

 SmallChanges wrote:
Seeing as I have all of the above to hand, I thought I'd post a quick size comparison:
If you're set on using the old scout torsos, I think it could work if you got rid of and then resculpted the abdomen area, which would let you sort out the wasp waist and add a little extra length at the same time. Bonus points at that stage if you were able to sculpt similar tabards to the new neophytes.


Thanks for the size comparison. I tried cutting apart one of my Enforcers (he died for the Emperor) and put an old Scout torso on top...

I'm not quite sure if this works, as the old scout torsos are very out of date and small. When I finish him, I will definitly sculpt him a tabard.

Right now I want to get one of the Primaris Neophytes in my hands to see how the size compares. I fear my version will still be too small.

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Looks like the Enforcer legs and Scout torso might work - the double thick waist definitely gives enough height while being "disguisable" with a sculpted tabard, and I think it will stand up well enough against Primaris marines.

I think the important part is going to be getting the arms and armament right to really sell that they're Scouts/Neophytes. I had a play with what I had in, and it's odd how even without Scout-style shoulder pads he kind of feels like a Scout. Orlock arms worked well with their muscular build and part-bare setup, and I kind of like the gloves. Even better, you wouldn't need to shell out for a full Orlock kit because the Orlock Weapons and Upgrade sprue comes with bolt pistols, bolters, and all kinds of special and heavy weapons suitable for Scouts.




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I put my version beside a new Primaris neophyte. The Enforcer legs add nor nearly enough height to him.

The torso is a bit smaller, but it could be bulked up with a generous application of miliput. That issue is fixable.

But unfortunately the Primaris legs are much thicker than Enforcer legs. I think this is the biggest problem and if I field my converted Neos besides the new ones it will be very noticeable.

I think that conversion has failed (at least for me). Thanks for the input and the help.
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