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Short question: if I'm only interested in artwork, fluff and pics of painted models, not rules, has the 9th Edition AdMech Codex substantial more than the 8th? Or is it just the same content with updated rules?

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Well, the 9th ed one has pics of stuff that's been released since the 8e book came out.
Couldn't tell you anything about the lore.
   
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Not as much as the new Necron codex it seems at first glance, lots of re-used art as in most codexes. They've written new fluff about units to fit into the margins of the datasheets and you might consider the fluff on some of the new relics and mechanics for crusade to be interesting.
   
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Sorry for bumping this up again, but surely there is someone who owns both codexes and give me some input. Just a rough number of how much additional fluff/artwork/pictures of painted models we are talking. Like 1-2 pages or 10-20? It's just that I saw some 8th edition codexes rather cheap on ebay and would only go for 9th if there is substantial new stuff in it beside of rules.

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In Thousand Sons pages 4 through 29 are fluff.

In the old book 6 through 31 is fluff. Then from 34 to 53 you have unit by unit fluff.

Both have an equivalent amount of art I would guess. The new fluff is not a lift from the old that I can tell.

Sorry - that's not Admech, but the best comparison I could give unless someone with the Admech book can chime. The biggest loss is the bestiary stuff, which essentially is consumed by Crusade rules.
   
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 Pyroalchi wrote:
Short question: if I'm only interested in artwork, fluff and pics of painted models, not rules, has the 9th Edition AdMech Codex substantial more than the 8th? Or is it just the same content with updated rules?


No, the new codexes have less.

Where they do have content it tends to be recycled, but theyve cut so much at this point that its just sad.

All the art of individual units, all the fluff pages for individual units, the timelines and minor fluff events have all been cut out.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 Pyroalchi wrote:
Sorry for bumping this up again, but surely there is someone who owns both codexes and give me some input. Just a rough number of how much additional fluff/artwork/pictures of painted models we are talking. Like 1-2 pages or 10-20? It's just that I saw some 8th edition codexes rather cheap on ebay and would only go for 9th if there is substantial new stuff in it beside of rules.

I do have both, sorry for comparing with Codex Necrons. You're looking at 1-5 new pages of art/dioramas, 2-5 pages of rewritten lore and less than 5 pages of new lore. Not worth it. Loan the codex from an AdMech player and read the Crusade section if you get beaten quickly by then one day and you've both got time to kill, 10 minutes worth of material and only really interesting if you're interested in how crunch and lore intersect from a game design perspective. How to count new art is hard because a lot of it is taking a picture, resizing it, putting it on a new background.
   
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And was lore removed as Scotsman posted?

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
And was lore removed as Scotsman posted?


Note, i'm looking at the drukhari codex/Thousand Sons codex. I dont have the admech codex.

I can easily summarize the hilarious wet fart of a lore update that Drukhari get, spoilers below for anyone who wants a good laugh

Spoiler:


Adsrubael Vect stages his own death, resurrects, and then declares himself a living god while a huge daemon incursion takes place in Commoragh:

9th edition codex adds: Nothing to this! Vect is still a living god, daemons have taken over a big chunk of Commorragh and a bunch of archons that didnt like vect who youve never heard of before but they were SUPER important we swear, they are dead.

Lelith Hesperax joins in with the Ynnari for her own mysterious reasons....oooooh....

9th ed codex adds: Nothing to this! Presumably she's still with them, but game-wise she still cannot be taken alongside a Ynnari army, LOL get rekt lore. Note though, that the big "Sisters of Battle vs Drukhari" box plot seemingly just forgot about this whole "Ynnari" thing, because in that Lelith is back to her old 'pain-suckin' tricks and trying to make a big show for Vect, despite the fact that she...supposedly left commorragh...and the wyches from the cult of strife were doing a thing where Ynnead was giving them soul-energy and they didnt need to cause pain to get it anymore.

Urien Rakarth sends out his evil carnival of monstrous beasts to seek out Primaris Space Marines...whatever could he be planning?

9th ed codex resolves this in the dumbest conceivable fashion: Urien wanted 1 of each primaris space marine from each of the founding chapters..just so he could look at them and chuckle at the emperor of mankind's foolish attempt at gene-splicing. WAKKITY-SMACKITY DOOOOOOOOO.

So, that's it for your once every 5 years lore update, Drukhari fans! Nothings happening, nothing will continue to happen, the events set up in the Gathering Storm books are a big old nothing, the game is all about space marines they are the protagonists the end, good day sirs.

Also, Drazar is doing nothing. He's literally not mentioned in the book except for his one-sentence lore blurb next to his datasheet. A new person picking up Drukhari would read through the whole codex, get to that blurb and go "wait, what? Who's this guy? He's one of my four named characters, whats his deal?"

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 Pyroalchi wrote:
And was lore removed as Scotsman posted?

Yes, at least a lot of it was condensed. Like unit lore, from more or less a full page per unit, to a tenth of a page. I don't have a photographic memory though, so I cannot tell you every little thing that got removed.
   
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Ok thanks a lot. In that case I will try and grab an 8th edition codex as it will suffice my needs.

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Gathering the Informations.

Serious question.

If you're actually playing the army...why wouldn't you buy the 9E book?

You can get the 7E books(Skitarii+Cult Mechanicus) for cheaper than the 8E book in all likelihood--and the 8E book just reprinted all that lore from those two books, in some cases very poorly.
   
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@ Kanluwen: I might have phrased it unclearly in the beginning. I don't intend to play the army any time soon. I might (!) get some odd squads over the next years, but I don't assume I will play any time soon and if so, then with my IG army. And if I decide to sprinkle in the odd ranger squad or something I'm sure I'll find the current rules somewhere.

I just eyed the codex for lore and pics, hence the question. But thanks for the notion of the 7th edition codex!

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Gathering the Informations.

If that's your intention, then ignore the 8E book entirely and get the 7E.

It details Skitarii more in-depth than the 8E one does, which actively breaks up the formatting into a series of word vomit in some spots.
   
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I haven't been keeping up with 9th, but doesn't the new codex have some models that were added since the prior codex?

Techpriest Manipulus
Skitarii Marshal
Archaeocopter (3 variants)
Syberis Raiders
Pteraxii Skystalkers / Sterilizors
Skorpious Dunerider / Disintegrator

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Gathering the Informations.

Yeah, but it's made clear that the OP is after a deal rather than playability.

Lorewise, if someone wants to do AdMech?
C: Skitarii is the best Skitarii lore(chunks of it got cut when they swapped to 8E, and some of it got moved around copy/paste-wise).
C: Cult is...meh, but that's no matter the case. It has some cool bits I guess?
Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia has Cawl's intro shenanigans.

PA: Engine War has all of the info on the Skorpius, Manipulus, Archaeopters, Serberys, and Pteraxii.

Marshal is only in the 9E book but was alluded to in C: Skitarii.
   
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Vigo. Spain.

Yeah. 9th codex aren't worth if you don't want the rules.

All the new units don't have entries in the bestiaries so whatever? Take the 7th or previous codices of your faction, or the 8th if they didn't had one previously (Like Custodes)

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Custodes and Sisters of Silence were in Agents in 7E. Should be a dirt cheap book.
   
 
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