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Wyrd are going to be releasing larger scale/75mm models, featuring iconic characters from Malifaux at key moments in their history. Sonnia Criid is the first up, this December

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2021/10/27/waldos-weekly-legend-has-it

$55 for PVC. Wyrd thinks way too highly of themselves.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
$55 for PVC. Wyrd thinks way too highly of themselves.

Some (but not all) Iconic boxes will also include a playable version of that character that is fully compatible with Malifaux Third Edition. Included in Scorch the Soul is a preassembled and Malifaux-scaled version of Sonnia that is ready to hit the table. An M3E stat card for the original Sonnia will also be included.

I mostly agree with you about the price, but it's two models. The unassembled+unpainted PVC model and the assembled Malifaux scaled model.

It's two WYRD models though. Shallow details, copypasta face/body type, low texture. When you see the amazing stuff coming out of resin printers for far, far less, Wyrd's offerings truly look lackluster.

You are getting two models out of it, so it's not thaat bad? Still pretty pricy, but then it is a display piece, not a game model primarily.

Some models come with two some don't.

It's strange to see PVC being used for 75mm though because normally the 75mm market is almost all resins because it tends to be much more artists and display modellers who want those models. Of course at the same time that pushes the prices up on those models to be way higher.

Honestly the price likely reflects higher mould costs for 75mm whlist being a fairly niche product. If anything its a "cheap mans 75mm" and might not be all that bad honestly. IT might even tempt some into 75mm display style models who otherwise might not.


That said I'm confused about this statement

"This model will come in unassembled hard PVC so that the fine details will be kept without the complexity of building a large model. "

I'm not quite sure what their argument here is. If its a single unassembled model then it suggests it comes in parts, but that means you have "the complexity of building" a large model. Unless they mean that their parting is less complicated than their regular scale stuff.





It's an interesting move to be sure in experimenting with a cheaper end 75mm market with their own products .

PVC seems like the absolute worst choice for ‘display models’.

"unassembled"
"without the complexity of building"

Something just doesn't add up.

How has the pvc been on the larger Wyrd models from The Other Side and the like? As ever Wyrd's use of renders rather than photos of actual physical products creates more questions than it answers.

I was interested before they mentioned PVC, I've heard their efforts in that area can be pretty hit or miss, so I'd need to see that actual mini first and not just a render before I hand over any monies.

 Overread wrote:

That said I'm confused about this statement

"This model will come in unassembled hard PVC so that the fine details will be kept without the complexity of building a large model. "

I'm not quite sure what their argument here is. If its a single unassembled model then it suggests it comes in parts, but that means you have "the complexity of building" a large model. Unless they mean that their parting is less complicated than their regular scale stuff.

I think it just means they've gone with PVC so the whole thing only comes in a handful of large parts and not the 50+ teeny tiny pieces it would've been in hard plastic.

Yeah, if this was Wyrd's plastic kit, it'd come in 100 pieces, each one requiring a microscope to align properly Going PVC will allow for actually sane number of pieces i assume.

No, I don't know why they keep doing that.

I've heard its because they have to outsource the plastic production and its more likely their factory in China (or wherever) isn't skilled for miniatures but in other markets/styles. So the parting ends up being different.

It might also be communication issues and sculpting issues whereby the sculpting isn't taking into account the parting which results in crazy parting choices to allow the sculpt to work. Perhaps with very little or reduced back and forth between parter and sculptor.

Is this larger model concept becoming a 'big new thing' for manufacturers?

Wargames Atlantic have a Secret 3-up Napoleonic Project listed in their release schedule.

They're attractive to painters, so I imagine a lot of more niche companies try to get in on the extra market. CB did their own 75mm figs with Luxumbra recently too.

As for miscommunication with the sculptor, this has been an issue since at least 2nd ed Malifaux, if they STILL have the miscommunication, maybe hire someone that actually speaks a human language of any sort?

I would love that smaller Sonnia to be available separately.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
It's two WYRD models though. Shallow details, copypasta face/body type, low texture. When you see the amazing stuff coming out of resin printers for far, far less, Wyrd's offerings truly look lackluster.

Yep that's, umm, some not-awesome detail for such a large model. The thickness of everything (chains, cloth...) and flatness of the surfaces makes this look inappropriate to the scale; the regular gaming-scaled one looks as detailed and like they didn't even tweak much except the added dude when they scaled it up.

Even if they did a more thorough job, though, I don't really understand the market for pre-assembled (but also unpainted) PVC display-only models with a moderately hefty price tag. It's not like PVC stops things from being a good model, and I've certainly painted some nice ones, but it's not at all a desirable material and I've never bought one that isn't cheap and/or for a game I play a lot, where it's worth the effort to salvage the material.

I really gave The Other Side models a good try, but damn if some of them didn't end up being warped and perpetually bent despite my best efforts.
Some models were certainly better about this than others, but my Abyssinian cavalry had to be tossed they were such a mess.

Sonnia is my favorite but honestly I probably wouldn't be in the market for this even if it was a better material. I'll be keeping an eye on unboxings though out of curiosity.

https://youtu.be/msoFD3qmDsc

Angel Giraldez painting the Sonia Criid model

alphaecho wrote:
Is this larger model concept becoming a 'big new thing' for manufacturers?
Wargames Atlantic have a Secret 3-up Napoleonic Project listed in their release schedule.

Not really, companies selling the 3-Ups for display painters is a very old concept, as well has having some special models available in 1/24. It is just GW who has never done it

the price itself is ok for what you get (I mean if this would be GW it would cost 200 being Finecast and people would call it cheap) material itself does not matter for a display model (as long as it is not Finecast Resin) although Resin might have been better

 kodos wrote:
the price itself is ok for what you get (I mean if this would be GW it would cost 200 being Finecast and people would call it cheap) material itself does not matter for a display model (as long as it is not Finecast Resin) although Resin might have been better

I don't know what this means? You just hate finecase? Because yeah, I believe it's a pretty poorly engineered material and it looks bad to charge that much for it. But, isn't $75 for "display" PVC, like, essentially the same thing? At least if you got a decent cast, finecast has decently defined edges.

it is more about people reading a specific material and discard it without knowing any details

for example Finecast is a specific Resin mixture, so everyone who knows Resin only by GW Finecast would need to put down such a model away if it is announced to be Resin
yet some people say Resin would be better than PVC without knowing which Resin or PVC would be used

and bad Resin is worse than good PVC and vica versa, demanding a specific material because you have something specific in mind without knowing if that company can use that exactly material
We have seen similar with Warlord Games, people wer asking for a metal replacement and we ended up with Resin that is even worse to work with

and a good PVC model is not really cheaper to make than a good Metal or Resin one

for me, I like the model and PVC is easier to work with than Resin for larger models

Huh. I've definitely had some pretty nice PVC, but Wyrd's never impressed me, have they improved dramatically in the last little while or something?

Also, umm, I'm not asking for like ironclad documentation or whatever, but I've never heard that PVC is as expensive as comparable resin.

PVC is a resin. Resin is catch-all term for a lot of different polymers.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Also, umm, I'm not asking for like ironclad documentation or whatever, but I've never heard that PVC is as expensive as comparable resin.

PVC more or less equals Spin Cast Resin and is cheaper than silicon mold casting if you have a higher numbers
which material is cheaper depends only on the number of models made and sold rather than on individual cost

Cronch wrote:
PVC is a resin. Resin is catch-all term for a lot of different polymers.

Yeah, so...? I can say "phone" and people generally understand I mean smartphone and not landline; "resin" in the model sense generally refers to a broad category casting techniques and materials, and people generally know what one's talking about.

yeah, you send out you buddy to buy a new phone, you wanted the new iPhone and he comes back with a Samsung

point is, just because someone say "Resin" does not mean it is the very specific Resin mixture you are expecting but can be something like GW or Warlord

and you don't want a display model made from GW or Warlord Resin

Regardless, if someone says Resin and they deliver PVC because its "technically correct" I don't think anyone will respond favorable. PVC has carved enough of a niche for itself separate from Resin that its very much something that can be easily distinguished.

Yeah, kodos, I get it, and I haven't encountered all resins, but I would take any I've encountered, including finecast or brittle recast junk from china, over PVC for a display model. I find PVC awful.

To the phone analogy, you can always specify more; did you mean a new, working, region-appropriate iphone? You did? Oops, you should have specified. Words are conventionally understood and if not you can clarify, because you're presumably a human with the ability to assess information and so is the other party. You can always willfully misinterpret, or act on insufficient information, that doesn't mean anything.

to circle it back to the actual mini at hand, it seems Angel did a lot of heavy lifting with the model, giving it texture by painting it on?