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I have been gaming for 3 decades and have a made a heavy investment in a lot of different games and miniatures. I for one will not be upgrading my Dark Angels or White Scars with Primaris miniatures. I guess I'm suffering from miniature expansion burnout. I also have an Imperial Guard and Nurgle Chaos marine force. I know some people will just say who cares but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way. I will just continue playing with what I have regardless if they become obsolete or not.

Although I'm sure that was the original plan at GW I think they've realised it's not going to happen.

Like you I've no desire to get rid of my truesons, I've bought a few primaris vanguard that can add something different but still run the marines I've had for decades.

They work just fine for my wolves.

ottokill wrote:
I have been gaming for 3 decades and have a made a heavy investment in a lot of different games and miniatures. I for one will not be upgrading my Dark Angels or White Scars with Primaris miniatures. I guess I'm suffering from miniature expansion burnout. I also have an Imperial Guard and Nurgle Chaos marine force. I know some people will just say who cares but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way. I will just continue playing with what I have regardless if they become obsolete or not.

Honestly, a lot of the classic marine units are great still and you don't need primaris at all. Vanguard Vets, Devs, Captain/Lt's, Apoths, Termies, Contemptor, are among the best Marine units. Its not hard to make a fully semi-comp to comp working around out of pre 2015 units.

I played all of 8th edition with my classic marines and did quite well with them. They also seem great in 9th, no need to fuss with them newfangled Primaris at all.

My prediction: 5 years form now, a marine book will drop saying that the extra height and organs don't really make primaris and firstborn all that different and they've all been consolidated into the same units. So tactical marines and intercessors will be interchangable. Whatever the new intercessor/tactical squad is called will have the option of adding a plasmagunner/hellblaster for every 5 models, etc.

Wyldhunt wrote:
My prediction: 5 years form now, a marine book will drop saying that the extra height and organs don't really make primaris and firstborn all that different and they've all been consolidated into the same units. So tactical marines and intercessors will be interchangable. Whatever the new intercessor/tactical squad is called will have the option of adding a plasmagunner/hellblaster for every 5 models, etc.

It'll also cost $90 US.

ottokill wrote:
I have been gaming for 3 decades and have a made a heavy investment in a lot of different games and miniatures. I for one will not be upgrading my Dark Angels or White Scars with Primaris miniatures. I guess I'm suffering from miniature expansion burnout. I also have an Imperial Guard and Nurgle Chaos marine force. I know some people will just say who cares but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way. I will just continue playing with what I have regardless if they become obsolete or not.

Oh yes. I'll keep using my non-primaris Marines as long as there's rules for them.

Though since I had all those very cool Primaris from the Indom box? And a few other Primaris kits I liked came out? I picked a new color scheme & +added enough stuff to round them out to an additional army rather than mix them into my existing forces.
Now my SM roster stands at:
•SW
•DA
•UM
•Doom Eagles
•Mentor Legion - this is an eclectic mix of stuff. I can see adding some Primaris to it someday....
•{?} - all Primaris

I have marines all the way back to the RT01 marines, and for now, will be keeping them. All three companies, painted as a quasi-successor Dark Angels chapter (Avengers of Horus, or The Avengers outside the chapter).

At the same time, I have picked up a small selection of Primaris marines. They're the "start" of my 4th company. While I've played a couple games with them, I mostly picked up the models for the looks and to use my modern paint skills on. They won't be replacing my old stuff.

I would hope in the future they split the codex in two, saying firstborn are used as a slowly shrinking autonomous formation within a chapter, but with the old equipment and the like and used as separate formations for logistical reasons.

If GW thought it through the fleets could become more line ships rather than the specialised ones they have currently and so on. Make it more like recreating the legions of old, which you can then have cause civil wars etc.

I'm the same, just finished a large force of marines from 2e to 5e on 25mm bases and I'm pretty happy to call it done.

To me it's the base size creep that's the biggest issue, I like the basic Primaris marines but I'm not a fan of scale creep in miniatures games, particularly of basic infantry models.

But I figure that we'll be in the vast minority in the future, just a funny curiousity for most players. You have always had stuff like that in the wargames hobby to one extent or another. This won't be that different.

They can pry my old marines from my cold dead hands. I will not be buying any primaris marines not now, not ever. I would rather play an older edition or a totally different game if push comes to shove. Rest assured I will be doing the shoving.

Wyldhunt wrote:
My prediction: 5 years form now, a marine book will drop saying that the extra height and organs don't really make primaris and firstborn all that different and they've all been consolidated into the same units. So tactical marines and intercessors will be interchangable. Whatever the new intercessor/tactical squad is called will have the option of adding a plasmagunner/hellblaster for every 5 models, etc.

I hope this happens. If not for the lack of special weapons, I could just run firstborn as Primaris anyway, the models aren't that much different from one another. It's more specialist units like Bladeguard and Aggressors and their stupid hover tanks that would take some proxying to say their firstborn equivalents can be used as Primaris.

The marine book certainly needs paring down - there’s too much in it already.

At the very least they can trim down the infantry options, hopefully combining some of the vehicle profiles (Do you want your Rhinos hover or tracked?). If not, I vote for yeeting the Primaris stuff myself.

 Stormonu wrote:
The marine book certainly needs paring down - there’s too much in it already.

At the very least they can trim down the infantry options, hopefully combining some of the vehicle profiles (Do you want your Rhinos hover or tracked?). If not, I vote for yeeting the Primaris stuff myself.

Honestly, they just need to combine a lot of things, why is there 3 Gladiators,3 Storm Speeders, 2 Land Speeders, 2 Repulsors, 2 Predators, Hunter and Stalker separate instead of 1 with option weapons, and so many characters with weapon swaps.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
The marine book certainly needs paring down - there’s too much in it already.

At the very least they can trim down the infantry options, hopefully combining some of the vehicle profiles (Do you want your Rhinos hover or tracked?). If not, I vote for yeeting the Primaris stuff myself.

Honestly, they just need to combine a lot of things, why is there 3 Gladiators,3 Storm Speeders, 2 Land Speeders, 2 Repulsors, 2 Predators, Hunter and Stalker separate instead of 1 with option weapons, and so many characters with weapon swaps.

On their end? $ales.
Well. Potential sales anyways. They know their Rule of 3 exists. And that 1 primaris Speeder with options = 3 sales. But 3 separate Speeders? That COULD BE 9 sales. Same reason there's umpteen separate dreads.. And all that potential costs them is you armchair designers bitching that there's too many seperate options in the Codex.

On our end? Creativity in force building options.
I realize that most of you don't understand this & thus can't appreciate it. But some of us do. So 8e/9e with separate entries & the current detachment system is perfect for us.
There are definitely people who've made all Dreadnought forces.
Somewhere out there some filthy casual is enjoying running his 9 primaris Speeder list.
Me? I like tanks. Maybe my 2022 project will be fielding a Predator armored company....
How competitive some of this is isn't even a consideration. It's "I can do _____!"

ottokill wrote:
I have been gaming for 3 decades and have a made a heavy investment in a lot of different games and miniatures. I for one will not be upgrading my Dark Angels or White Scars with Primaris miniatures. I guess I'm suffering from miniature expansion burnout. I also have an Imperial Guard and Nurgle Chaos marine force. I know some people will just say who cares but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way. I will just continue playing with what I have regardless if they become obsolete or not.

I guess... how is this all that different from not picking up any other new kits for space marines? I certainly didn't buy Centurions or Stalkers when they came out.

GW has been surpisingly good at keeping older options legal and viable. I have an all metal Sisters army, and while there are completely new units I'm missing (Zephyrim, Sancresancts) I'm not missing any options for the legacy units. I did buy the special backpacks to make metal grey knight interceptors though.

Outside of, say, squats, there simply aren't a lot of models GW made for 40k you can't still put on the table as a legal unit, even without counts as. Hell, look at the new novice sisters and compare their stats/rules/options to the ancient Frateris Milita... there's a ton of overlap. So, I'd say that playing a decades old army without any newer units it's a transgressive act. It's something that GW actually tries to make plausible.


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 Amishprn86 wrote:
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Honestly, they just need to combine a lot of things, why is there 3 Gladiators,3 Storm Speeders, 2 Land Speeders, 2 Repulsors, 2 Predators, Hunter and Stalker separate instead of 1 with option weapons, and so many characters with weapon swaps.

On their end? $ales.
Well. Potential sales anyways. They know their Rule of 3 exists. And that 1 primaris Speeder with options = 3 sales. But 3 separate Speeders? That COULD BE 9 sales. Same reason there's umpteen separate dreads.. And all that potential costs them is you armchair designers bitching that there's too many seperate options in the Codex.

I actually don't think it's sales, it's Power level. Power level isn't separate from datasheets like points are, so they're more difficult to update. And IIRC the gladiator and speeders actually have different power levels among the options.

Yeah, the Storm Speeders, Land Speeders, Predators, and Gladiators are all different Power levels depending on the loadout.
Also, why do people feel the need to declare they're not going to buy Primaris all the time? It's not really a big deal.
What purpose does this serve:

Do you want a sticker or a trophy? Nobody is taking away Firstborn units, in fact, due to the way the datasheets have worked out there's more choice than before. Command Squads being split into their component parts is such an example. You don't need to take all the dudes but you can still choose to and they won't take up the Force Org slot.

 Polonius wrote:

ottokill wrote:
I have been gaming for 3 decades and have a made a heavy investment in a lot of different games and miniatures. I for one will not be upgrading my Dark Angels or White Scars with Primaris miniatures. I guess I'm suffering from miniature expansion burnout. I also have an Imperial Guard and Nurgle Chaos marine force. I know some people will just say who cares but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way. I will just continue playing with what I have regardless if they become obsolete or not.

I guess... how is this all that different from not picking up any other new kits for space marines? I certainly didn't buy Centurions or Stalkers when they came out.

GW has been surpisingly good at keeping older options legal and viable. I have an all metal Sisters army, and while there are completely new units I'm missing (Zephyrim, Sancresancts) I'm not missing any options for the legacy units. I did buy the special backpacks to make metal grey knight interceptors though.

Outside of, say, squats, there simply aren't a lot of models GW made for 40k you can't still put on the table as a legal unit, even without counts as. Hell, look at the new novice sisters and compare their stats/rules/options to the ancient Frateris Milita... there's a ton of overlap. So, I'd say that playing a decades old army without any newer units it's a transgressive act. It's something that GW actually tries to make plausible.


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 Amishprn86 wrote:
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Honestly, they just need to combine a lot of things, why is there 3 Gladiators,3 Storm Speeders, 2 Land Speeders, 2 Repulsors, 2 Predators, Hunter and Stalker separate instead of 1 with option weapons, and so many characters with weapon swaps.

On their end? $ales.
Well. Potential sales anyways. They know their Rule of 3 exists. And that 1 primaris Speeder with options = 3 sales. But 3 separate Speeders? That COULD BE 9 sales. Same reason there's umpteen separate dreads.. And all that potential costs them is you armchair designers bitching that there's too many seperate options in the Codex.

I actually don't think it's sales, it's Power level. Power level isn't separate from datasheets like points are, so they're more difficult to update. And IIRC the gladiator and speeders actually have different power levels among the options.

Difficult to update? I doubt it's any harder to tell you in a FAQ to change the PL of unit x to ____ than it is to tell you how many pts it now costs.
PL for different patterns of a vehicle could just be incorporated into the combined stat sheet though.
List Base PL. Then list "If melta-thingy, then +x PL. If missile system, +x PL. If....
Or they could just list the PL in the corner as * & then below list the various weapon package combos & their PL.


Might make the stat sheet take an entire page. But so what?

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, the Storm Speeders, Land Speeders, Predators, and Gladiators are all different Power levels depending on the loadout.
Also, why do people feel the need to declare they're not going to buy Primaris all the time? It's not really a big deal.
What purpose does this serve:

Spoiler:

TinyLegions wrote:
They can pry my old marines from my cold dead hands. I will not be buying any primaris marines not now, not ever. I would rather play an older edition or a totally different game if push comes to shove. Rest assured I will be doing the shoving.

Do you want a sticker or a trophy? Nobody is taking away Firstborn units, in fact, due to the way the datasheets have worked out there's more choice than before. Command Squads being split into their component parts is such an example. You don't need to take all the dudes but you can still choose to and they won't take up the Force Org slot.

See OP:
" but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way"

It is literally the topic of the thread and the question asked by the OP.

Because then the datasheet gets too long and confusing. Instead, you have 3 datasheets with clearly defined Power levels and wargear to match that. Plus it makes it easier to identify things. Previously a Predator was a Predator and could take X, Y, and Z options while still technically having different names for each variant (Annihilator, Destructor, Executioner, etc). Now there are specific datasheets for them so at a glance you know the Predator Destructor is the anti-Infantry variant and the Predator Annihilator is the AT variant. Ease of access and all that.


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 Insectum7 wrote:
See OP:
" but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way"

It is literally the topic of the thread and the question asked by the OP.

Except, these kinds of posts/threads have been doing the rounds almost daily since Primaris dropped. The OP says they've been in the hobby for 30 years and they want me to believe that in the past 5 years they haven't seen a single thread/post on Dakka or beyond where people proudly state they're never buying Primaris like its a badge of honour? Even then, "New Thing Bad, Old Thing Good" is hardly a minority opinion in this hobby is it?

Call it a test to see if the wind has changed. *shrug

 Gert wrote:
Because then the datasheet gets too long and confusing. Instead, you have 3 datasheets with clearly defined Power levels and wargear to match that. Plus it makes it easier to identify things. Previously a Predator was a Predator and could take X, Y, and Z options while still technically having different names for each variant (Annihilator, Destructor, Executioner, etc). Now there are specific datasheets for them so at a glance you know the Predator Destructor is the anti-Infantry variant and the Predator Annihilator is the AT variant. Ease of access and all that.


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 Insectum7 wrote:
See OP:
" but I wonder if there are others that feel the same way"

It is literally the topic of the thread and the question asked by the OP.

Except, these kinds of posts/threads have been doing the rounds almost daily since Primaris dropped. The OP says they've been in the hobby for 30 years and they want me to believe that in the past 5 years they haven't seen a single thread/post on Dakka or beyond where people proudly state they're never buying Primaris like its a badge of honour? Even then, "New Thing Bad, Old Thing Good" is hardly a minority opinion in this hobby is it?

It was (day that ends in a Y) & thus time to post the same old thing again? Or just their own thread on it?

 Gert wrote:

Except, these kinds of posts/threads have been doing the rounds almost daily since Primaris dropped. The OP says they've been in the hobby for 30 years and they want me to believe that in the past 5 years they haven't seen a single thread/post on Dakka or beyond where people proudly state they're never buying Primaris like its a badge of honour? Even then, "New Thing Bad, Old Thing Good" is hardly a minority opinion in this hobby is it?

I think it's worth pointing out here that like, maybe the reason this happens is because a sizable enough minority of Space Marine fans still really love the originals, and there's something for each of those fans, with regards to Primaris, that doesn't do it for them.
If it elicits this many responses, it seems like it's still a divisive issue, and considering neither Firstborn Marines, nor Primaris show any sign of going anywhere, any time soon, it's maybe a divisive issue in the community, which is surprising, given that we've had Primaris for such a long time.

As much as these threads can get very Primaris-bash-y (god knows, I really have very little positive to say about them), like, so far this thread really isn't that. It's significantly made up of posters saying "I still like my old toys" and nervously wondering if - as so many in the community like to disparagingly call them - Squat Marines will end up just that - Squatted. In which case, what are we to do? Some clearly are cool with playing them as Primaris Marines. With the ascendant popularity of Oldhammer, there seem to be avenues for fans to keep using them, but still, the loss of a rules an minis for a design that has been a real cornerstone of the Warhammer setting is sad, be it Brettonians, Tomb Kings Space Marines, Squats, whatever.

And something else that kinda upset me a little lately.
Back in the Black Templars rumor thread, I made a single, throwaway post about being nervous/frustrated at the thought that there would be nothing compatible with my non-primaris marines.
Immediately I was catching heat from like, 7 other posters? Belittling me, being rude, and even actual sexual harassment. It was wild. I never said anything particularly rude about primaris marines, just talked about how I was kind of hoping for table scraps, and it was too much for some Primaris fans. So as much as yes, some people to get a bit vitriolic when talking about how they don't want Primaris, and threads like this one are certainly not an uncommon occurrence, it's not like this is just some hate-big-marines circlejerk. People are talking about the future of their toys, and how to keep playing with them as best they can, when, for some, the writing is very much on the wall it would seem. It might be cool if you could reflect a little bit on why you felt the need to come in here, and start stirring the pot, when it's mostly a bunch of misty-eyed fans talking about their enthusiasm for some toys, when, in my experience, there are actually precious few spaces we can actually openly do that these days, without being shouted down for being a "hater" just because you don't want to buy the same toys as someone else.


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As for OP, yeah, I feel the same way. I've elaborated on my love for the original style of space marines countless times, but it's really a design I love. There's a heavy, weighty expressiveness to their poses, the brutal edges and screaming mouth grill, offset by almost ray-gun sci-fi flared-pants leg greaves. It's a fab little design, and I've got loads of them. Coming into 40k having been a Gundam fan, I was really blown away by how easy it is to customize your multipart plastic marines and make them really unique, and all the potential for visual storytelling therein.

I still have my marine army i started in 5th ed (it is up to 6k points or so), and even some of my 3rd ed dark angels.

And since i still play 5th ed my classic marines see lots of love. I do not own and will not own a single heretical primaris marine, although i do have a few of the inspirational minis they were based on-30K MKIV maximus pattern power armor.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Honestly, a lot of the classic marine units are great still and you don't need primaris at all. Vanguard Vets, Devs, Captain/Lt's, Apoths, Termies, Contemptor, are among the best Marine units. Its not hard to make a fully semi-comp to comp working around out of pre 2015 units.

A lot of the marine tournament lists I've seen (even some in the top 10 at tournies) have max number of vanguard vets and/or devastators. They're hardly overshadowed by new stuff.

 posermcbogus wrote:

I think it's worth pointing out here that like, maybe the reason this happens is because a sizable enough minority of Space Marine fans still really love the originals, and there's something for each of those fans, with regards to Primaris, that doesn't do it for them.
If it elicits this many responses, it seems like it's still a divisive issue, and considering neither Firstborn Marines, nor Primaris show any sign of going anywhere, any time soon, it's maybe a divisive issue in the community, which is surprising, given that we've had Primaris for such a long time.

And yet I never said people shouldn't enjoy their models, I'm just saying why does there need to be a boatload of posts about it like it's going out of style? Further to that how is it a "divisive issue"? Have you had your Firstborn Space Marines taken away from you? Have you lost access to all of their rules? Have you been forced to buy Primaris Marines? Are the Space Marine rules exclusively good for Primaris units? No, so why do people feel the need to post self-satisfying posts about how they're going to keep using Firstborn when the models are sold, the rules are still around and there's been no attempt by anyone to change either of those things?

As much as these threads can get very Primaris-bash-y (god knows, I really have very little positive to say about them), like, so far this thread really isn't that. It's significantly made up of posters saying "I still like my old toys" and nervously wondering if - as so many in the community like to disparagingly call them - Squat Marines will end up just that - Squatted. In which case, what are we to do? Some clearly are cool with playing them as Primaris Marines. With the ascendant popularity of Oldhammer, there seem to be avenues for fans to keep using them, but still, the loss of a rules an minis for a design that has been a real cornerstone of the Warhammer setting is sad, be it Brettonians, Tomb Kings Space Marines, Squats, whatever.

This thread has been better than the usual I agree but regardless it took eleven posts for someone to post silly nonsense about never buying Primaris and then two after that before someone suggested getting rid of Primaris entirely. But one thread/post out of a hundred doesn't make everything better, does it? How far would I have to go into another Space Marine-centric thread to find anti-Primaris posts? How many comments on FB or Instagram would I have to look through to find anti-Primaris sentiment? How about Reddit?
Firstborn lost naff all with the change over to 8th and then got more unit freedom in the 9th Codex. You talk about cornerstones of game systems yet mention Brettonia, the Tomb Kings, and the bloody Squats. You'd be hard-pressed to find many people who would say any of those are the cornerstones of their systems.
As for Oldhammer, people are playing older editions because they don't like the core rules of 8th/9th, not because they want to use Librarians on Bikes. And once again, you've lost almost no rules and there is no indication that you will be losing rules any time soon.

And something else that kinda upset me a little lately.
Back in the Black Templars rumor thread, I made a single, throwaway post about being nervous/frustrated at the thought that there would be nothing compatible with my non-primaris marines.
Immediately I was catching heat from like, 7 other posters? Belittling me, being rude, and even actual sexual harassment. It was wild. I never said anything particularly rude about primaris marines, just talked about how I was kind of hoping for table scraps, and it was too much for some Primaris fans. So as much as yes, some people to get a bit vitriolic when talking about how they don't want Primaris, and threads like this one are certainly not an uncommon occurrence, it's not like this is just some hate-big-marines circlejerk. People are talking about the future of their toys, and how to keep playing with them as best they can, when, for some, the writing is very much on the wall it would seem.

So firstly, abuse is unacceptable and those users are without a doubt certain words that are not allowed on this forum.
Secondly, I would argue that this thread that has seen a more positive tone is uncommon and that the vast majority of posts in such threads are bashing Primaris and the people who don't hate anything new.
I want to ask where you think the "writing on the wall" comes from with regards to Firstborn Marines. Space Marine Heroes has exclusively been Firstborn minis, FW produced 3 new kits for Firstborn, 3 of the 5 latest Limited Ed models for Space Marines have been Firstborn, and to reiterate what I said earlier, Firstborn have seen a net gain in units since 8th Ed.

It might be cool if you could reflect a little bit on why you felt the need to come in here, and start stirring the pot, when it's mostly a bunch of misty-eyed fans talking about their enthusiasm for some toys, when, in my experience, there are actually precious few spaces we can actually openly do that these days, without being shouted down for being a "hater" just because you don't want to buy the same toys as someone else.

Interesting opinion because IMO this entire thread is an attempt at stirring the pot. But how about these posts:

Are they not explicitly stirring to annoy those who do like Primaris? Should they need to reflect on their actions? Or is it just me because I expressed the opinion that maintaining the cycle of negativity is stupid?

All this false outrage generated by threads like this does nothing but perpetuate the negativity and combative nature of discussions found in 40k forum space. Nobody is coming for your Space Marines, stop making stuff up to fuel your nerd rage.

Got to say I agree with Gert on this one. I could start a thread saying I am never buying old marines again, but what’s the point of that. Same as this thread, none. I sold my old marines when I got my first primaris, couldn’t look at their stupid stumpy big head proportions again. But it’s not worth a thread all of its own. Fingers crossed they do phase out marines eventually.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, the Storm Speeders, Land Speeders, Predators, and Gladiators are all different Power levels depending on the loadout.
Also, why do people feel the need to declare they're not going to buy Primaris all the time? It's not really a big deal.
What purpose does this serve:

Spoiler:

TinyLegions wrote:
They can pry my old marines from my cold dead hands. I will not be buying any primaris marines not now, not ever. I would rather play an older edition or a totally different game if push comes to shove. Rest assured I will be doing the shoving.

Do you want a sticker or a trophy? Nobody is taking away Firstborn units, in fact, due to the way the datasheets have worked out there's more choice than before. Command Squads being split into their component parts is such an example. You don't need to take all the dudes but you can still choose to and they won't take up the Force Org slot.

I got news for you, I don't need anything pertaining to my hobby from you. No sticker, no trophy, nothing. I have been pretty clear about my views that another edition of space marines is the last thing that this hobby needs. I think that it is a brazen attempt to justify GW's IP and thus collect obscene amounts of money from their fan base. I have also been clear that I believe that they have subsequently ruined the lore with the addition of this monstrosity, and I expect that at some point in time they will "squat" all of the classic marines. This is not to mention that we need another power armor army like another hole in the head, where they could have made a whole new alien faction. Thus I am boycotting that part of the faction and I am focusing my hobby budget funds into other factions and endeavors within the hobby. You feel that I have nothing to fear than that is fine. However, unlike you, I do respect others people opinion enough that I try to avoid the "Primaris Marines are Awesome" threads on this forum, and I certainly don't go and troll post on those threads. This thread is specifically about classic marines and if people are ever going to switch over. If you disagree, then fine, but I don't appreciate your trolling and calling me out. Another news flash: I honestly don't care what you have to say anymore on this forum, as I have put you on my ignore list.

My two cents about the Primaris fiasco:

First the new lore is trash. Second most minis of the Primaris line are utter garbage. Want some examples? Here we go:

- Gravis guys. Terminators just look better.
- Guys with new flying stands.
- Guys with strange backpack and a too large autocannon.
- Beer belly dread.
- Go-Kart marines.
- Techmarine on artillery platform.
- Antigrav Repulsor madness with guns sticking out of it like the hairs of a hedgehog.
- Skull mask scouts trying to do a Night Lords cosplay.
- Annyoing Lt. releases. Up to this point there must be more Lt. than Ork Boyz in the setting.


However there are a few minis which I like though they won´t suffice to start a new army. Nevertheless they are good enough to be painted and put in the cabinet.

- Intercessors. I own a single freebie who stands on the base of one of my IKs.
- Infiltrators (dual kit). They look more high-tech than 40K so could be used in other tabletop games.

 Strg Alt wrote:
My two cents about the Primaris fiasco:

First the new lore is trash. Second most minis of the Primaris line are utter garbage. Want some examples? Here we go:

- Gravis guys. Terminators just look better.
- Guys with new flying stands.
- Guys with strange backpack and a too large autocannon.
- Beer belly dread.
- Go-Kart marines.
- Techmarine on artillery platform.
- Antigrav Repulsor madness with guns sticking out of it like the hairs of a hedgehog.
- Skull mask scouts trying to do a Night Lords cosplay.
- Annyoing Lt. releases. Up to this point there must be more Lt. than Ork Boyz in the setting.


However there are a few minis which I like though they won´t suffice to start a new army. Nevertheless they are good enough to be painted and put in the cabinet.

- Intercessors. I own a single freebie who stands on the base of one of my IKs.
- Infiltrators (dual kit). They look more high-tech than 40K so could be used in other tabletop games.

All of these are subjective opinions, just so we're clear.