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I don't think this has had it's own thread yet. From WarCom:

T’au Empire Forge World Kits

While customers in selected regions* are picking up their new T’au Empire goodies on the Games Workshop webstore, they will also be able to grab some advanced Forge World kits in the same order! You can add the destructive firepower of the massive KX139 Ta’unar Supremacy Armour, bring death from above with the AX 1-0 Tigershark, and recruit additional battlesuits in the form of the XV107 and XV109 variants at the same time as you buy your new codex.

* These products will not be available through games-workshop.com in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or China.


Given the limited number of kits and geographic availability, I'm not sure what they'll learn from it...

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This is actually interesting, and I have never really understood why this wasn't the case anyway.

I am hoping this means that generic GW vouchers can now be used for FW stuff.

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Frankly it'll be nice to have an option just to save on the postage. I've not looked in a while, but forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.
   
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StraightSilver wrote:
I have never really understood why this wasn't the case anyway.
The two 'reasons' I keep hearing are that GW stores don't want to deal with miscasts, and they might have to offer the FW kits to 3rd party sellers (under monopoly laws or something).
   
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beast_gts wrote:
StraightSilver wrote:
I have never really understood why this wasn't the case anyway.
The two 'reasons' I keep hearing are that GW stores don't want to deal with miscasts, and they might have to offer the FW kits to 3rd party sellers (under monopoly laws or something).


Ah, that actually makes sense tbh.

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The Black Adder wrote:
forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.
Currently it's:
Standard - FREE over £75 or £3.50 for orders totalling less than £75.
Tracked - FREE over £250 or £6 for orders totalling less than £250.

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I welcome the promotion of more FW stuff - and the chance that it means FW will survive, expand and stick around. As amazing as GW plastics are, resin still has the edge in fine detail and in certain sculpt shapes and such which are near impossible in plastics (or require insanely creative cutting or lots of parts).



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beast_gts wrote:
The Black Adder wrote:
forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.
Currently it's:
Standard - FREE over £75 or £3.50 for orders totalling less than £75.
Tracked - FREE over £250 or £6 for orders totalling less than £250.


Btw, there is absolutely no difference with the postage methods. Only difference: In the first case you don't always get a functioning tracking button, but instead have to manually look it up at UPS with the code that you have under your order history. It's meaningless anyway though. I ordered 3 times in the last 18 months and every time the item arrived before the tracking updated to dispatched based on their Lyon dispatch location. (I guess they bulk transport everything to a EU entity before individual shipping) and everytime it took them far longer than the estimate they supplied.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
The Black Adder wrote:
forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.
Currently it's:
Standard - FREE over £75 or £3.50 for orders totalling less than £75.
Tracked - FREE over £250 or £6 for orders totalling less than £250.

Huh - it's been a while since I checked their shipping, so I had the 10% thing stuck in my brain.

Might get a small(ish) order placed this week, then.

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beast_gts wrote:
The Black Adder wrote:
forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.
Currently it's:
Standard - FREE over £75 or £3.50 for orders totalling less than £75.
Tracked - FREE over £250 or £6 for orders totalling less than £250.


Thanks. They seem much more reasonable. I guess they've been that way for a while. It's been ages since I ordered anything from them.

It's still a good move to reorganize and merge the sites, if that's the way this is heading - they'll just need to clearly mark the resin products for people who don't like dealing with that material.
   
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The Black Adder wrote:
Frankly it'll be nice to have an option just to save on the postage. I've not looked in a while, but forgeworld had a shipping price of 10% of your order total unless the order was £500+.


ATM it's 90€ so it's def gone down waaaay much. Less than 25€ GW has but with price of FW kits 90€ comes up REAL fast. If you are under 90€ it's flat 10€ fee.

You REALLY haven't looked at it for a while

Of course it's possible shipping gets priced FW style if order contains FW items...but even then FW tau kit+Tau GW stuff=90€ should be reached pretty fast so likely wouldn't be issue anyway

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If you buy at your local GW store, anything you order that comes to them has free shipping. If FW models bought from the GW site also get shipped free to them, that would be pretty nice.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
StraightSilver wrote:
I have never really understood why this wasn't the case anyway.
The two 'reasons' I keep hearing are that GW stores don't want to deal with miscasts, and they might have to offer the FW kits to 3rd party sellers (under monopoly laws or something).


I can completely understand why this would be the case - at the moment, I order anything from the GW site and for the vast majority have a high quality plastic kit that fits together nicely, and comes in a nice box.

It won't be the case for many of us that are experienced modellers, but little Timmy receiving his twisted piece of miscast resin, in a clear plastic bag and white box, for an exorbitant sum of money, won't provide quite the same customer experience.

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 GaroRobe wrote:
If you buy at your local GW store, anything you order that comes to them has free shipping. If FW models bought from the GW site also get shipped free to them, that would be pretty nice.


Yeah that's what I've done in the past. A few less deliveries is better for the environment too. I'll be happy of I can get forgeworld in the same way.
   
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This sounds good I guess, though being in Australia I don't really care since FW stuff comes from the UK anyway and takes weeks to arrive and I typically buy enough to get in the "free shipping" category.

I kinda prefer it just to have it show up at my door instead of having to drive to the local shop and some indeterminate time in the future.

And, as always with GW, I worry this will come with a price rise.

 GaroRobe wrote:
If you buy at your local GW store, anything you order that comes to them has free shipping. If FW models bought from the GW site also get shipped free to them, that would be pretty nice.


Who buys FW in small enough lots to not get free shipping?





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The Black Adder wrote:
Yeah that's what I've done in the past. A few less deliveries is better for the environment too. I'll be happy of I can get forgeworld in the same way.


I probably burn more fuel getting to my local GW than the delivery truck burns getting from the depot to my house via all the other destinations on its route that day.

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I wonder if this will help them realize that FW kits might sell more if more readily accessible. In that case they might also start to either: give more manpower to FW to keep kits in stock, or to start porting over the better selling kits to plastic quicker. Then FW could become more of a testbed of new ideas. Create a new type of Space Marine unit, and if it is well accepted then they can turn it into plastic and more sales. If it turns out to be a dud (Looking at the Centurions ), then they stay resin and left in certain warzones, campaigns. Transitions to plastic helped sell the Valkyrie and other units.

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So this won't exist in their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th largest markets?
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Who buys FW in small enough lots to not get free shipping?





Dread weapons are what 14e piece? If you just need 4 that's about half way.

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 Theophony wrote:
I wonder if this will help them realize that FW kits might sell more if more readily accessible. In that case they might also start to either: give more manpower to FW to keep kits in stock, or to start porting over the better selling kits to plastic quicker. Then FW could become more of a testbed of new ideas. Create a new type of Space Marine unit, and if it is well accepted then they can turn it into plastic and more sales. If it turns out to be a dud (Looking at the Centurions ), then they stay resin and left in certain warzones, campaigns. Transitions to plastic helped sell the Valkyrie and other units.


Porting FW models to plastic looses so much detail, that this is not a direction I would want for FW kits. Just compare FW Trygon to a plastic one. Flat plates of Imperial vehicles are easy, but the power of FW is in the freedom of sculpting that is possible only with resin medium.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

It's worth mentioning that this is just a small range of items that are being listed.

I wouldn't be shocked if they make it so the "Most Popular" items get to be made available on the GW site.
   
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If GW wants to sell me FW stuff, they need to lower prices and improve the material.
   
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 Theophony wrote:
I wonder if this will help them realize that FW kits might sell more if more readily accessible. In that case they might also start to either: give more manpower to FW to keep kits in stock, or to start porting over the better selling kits to plastic quicker. Then FW could become more of a testbed of new ideas. Create a new type of Space Marine unit, and if it is well accepted then they can turn it into plastic and more sales. If it turns out to be a dud (Looking at the Centurions ), then they stay resin and left in certain warzones, campaigns. Transitions to plastic helped sell the Valkyrie and other units.


I doubt it, anyone who is going to pay premium prices for resin models already knows where to find Forge World.
   
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 Londinium wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
I wonder if this will help them realize that FW kits might sell more if more readily accessible. In that case they might also start to either: give more manpower to FW to keep kits in stock, or to start porting over the better selling kits to plastic quicker. Then FW could become more of a testbed of new ideas. Create a new type of Space Marine unit, and if it is well accepted then they can turn it into plastic and more sales. If it turns out to be a dud (Looking at the Centurions ), then they stay resin and left in certain warzones, campaigns. Transitions to plastic helped sell the Valkyrie and other units.


I doubt it, anyone who is going to pay premium prices for resin models already knows where to find Forge World.


Yes and no - I know a LOT of newer people have no real clue about FW and even think its a separate firm entirely (not just in a legal sense).

Heck the community pages hardly mention it, I recall seeing a whole article on exalted greater demons and they didn't mention nor show any of the FW ones. Meanwhile the AoS line is almost entirely gutted of models with some of those that remain being Gloomspite who I recall were one of the few who actually got a lot of their stuff shown off (esp the Colossal Squig) on the social pages. So I'd wager there's a good number who don't really have a clue FW is there and that they can buy from there and use them in their GW store (3rd party models are great options, but not legal at your local GW store). Also there are some who like to support their local store and until this scheme comes in, the GW store lcoal wouldn't get any sales metrics from FW purchases. You could spend £1000s and your local store wouldn't get any of it recorded as a sale.

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Huh, neat that they are doing it, but no real interest either (even outside of not playing Tau).

I personally lost all interest in Forge World when they switched to regional pricing, claiming it will make shipping cheaper yay! Then it turned out they dropped free shipping threshold a tiny amount and increased the price on each and every kit by the GW arbitrary conversion rate. The entire site was a hell of a lot cheaper to shop from overall before that change.
   
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nou wrote:
Porting FW models to plastic looses so much detail

Yup, you lose 2 cm thick cloaks, ugly, misshapen bits, warping, bubbles, plastic bag arriving with most of thin bits broken and all the other "detail"

Just compare this excellent, lots of detail, best sculpt, totally not lump of gak FW Varag making razorgors look good:

Spoiler:


With this terrible, no detail, vastly better sculpt, detail and cast GW Varag released to fix FW terribad design right afterwards:

Spoiler:

Just look at it, face of plastic Varag has more detail than the ""detailed"" FW abomination and on top of it, it dares to be cheaper. And that's just one example out of dozens, particularly handy because it's the same character from the same time period.

Or look at all the ""detail"" in this upside-down FW gak lumpy SW bolter where the sculptor put iron sights at the bottom and bayonet mount at the top:



DETAIL!
   
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 Irbis wrote:
nou wrote:
Porting FW models to plastic looses so much detail

Yup, you lose 2 cm thick cloaks, ugly, misshapen bits, warping, bubbles, plastic bag arriving with most of thin bits broken and all the other "detail"

Just compare this excellent, lots of detail, best sculpt, totally not lump of gak FW Varag making razorgors look good:

Spoiler:


With this terrible, no detail, vastly better sculpt, detail and cast GW Varag released to fix FW terribad design right afterwards:

Spoiler:

Just look at it, face of plastic Varag has more detail than the ""detailed"" FW abomination and on top of it, it dares to be cheaper. And that's just one example out of dozens, particularly handy because it's the same character from the same time period.

Or look at all the ""detail"" in this upside-down FW gak lumpy SW bolter where the sculptor put iron sights at the bottom and bayonet mount at the top:



DETAIL!


Excuse me, 2cm cloaks? That is a vast overstatement, they're only 1.5cm at best! So much better and more detailed than GW's pathetic cloak-thick cloaks!
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
nou wrote:
Porting FW models to plastic looses so much detail

Yup, you lose 2 cm thick cloaks, ugly, misshapen bits, warping, bubbles, plastic bag arriving with most of thin bits broken and all the other "detail"

Just compare this excellent, lots of detail, best sculpt, totally not lump of gak FW Varag making razorgors look good:

Spoiler:


With this terrible, no detail, vastly better sculpt, detail and cast GW Varag released to fix FW terribad design right afterwards:

Spoiler:

Just look at it, face of plastic Varag has more detail than the ""detailed"" FW abomination and on top of it, it dares to be cheaper. And that's just one example out of dozens, particularly handy because it's the same character from the same time period.

Or look at all the ""detail"" in this upside-down FW gak lumpy SW bolter where the sculptor put iron sights at the bottom and bayonet mount at the top:



DETAIL!


Excuse me, 2cm cloaks? That is a vast overstatement, they're only 1.5cm at best! So much better and more detailed than GW's pathetic cloak-thick cloaks!

We've been here already:
There is more to cloaks than just edge thickness, Sigvald's cape is merely wrinkled because guess what, plastic mould limitations. And as I see you still don't understand what comes from medium limitation and what comes from monoblock casting limitations...

And please, do show me where all the surface detail on plastic Tyranids is:

The last one is a direct change of medium without major resculpt, just with all the detail impossible in plastic gone.


   
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nou wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
nou wrote:
Porting FW models to plastic looses so much detail

Yup, you lose 2 cm thick cloaks, ugly, misshapen bits, warping, bubbles, plastic bag arriving with most of thin bits broken and all the other "detail"

Just compare this excellent, lots of detail, best sculpt, totally not lump of gak FW Varag making razorgors look good:

Spoiler:


With this terrible, no detail, vastly better sculpt, detail and cast GW Varag released to fix FW terribad design right afterwards:

Spoiler:

Just look at it, face of plastic Varag has more detail than the ""detailed"" FW abomination and on top of it, it dares to be cheaper. And that's just one example out of dozens, particularly handy because it's the same character from the same time period.

Or look at all the ""detail"" in this upside-down FW gak lumpy SW bolter where the sculptor put iron sights at the bottom and bayonet mount at the top:



DETAIL!


Excuse me, 2cm cloaks? That is a vast overstatement, they're only 1.5cm at best! So much better and more detailed than GW's pathetic cloak-thick cloaks!

We've been here already:
There is more to cloaks than just edge thickness, Sigvald's cape is merely wrinkled because guess what, plastic mould limitations. And as I see you still don't understand what comes from medium limitation and what comes from monoblock casting limitations...

And please, do show me where all the surface detail on plastic Tyranids is:

The last one is a direct change of medium without major resculpt, just with all the detail impossible in plastic gone.


Except you can perfectly get those details in plastic, and GW simply chose not to do them for whatever reason in that particular resculpt? Just look at the (plastic) Exocrine. It has all the surface detailing you could get in FW resin. Even recessed details inside the vents, just in a diffrent style than the FW ones.

And Sigvald's cape is not "merely wrinkled", it's very dynamically billowing (and it also has embossed details). But if you really want an example of a cape folding on itself like the FW clump for some reason, here, Light of Eltharion and his cape. Also GW plastic. And it even has the funky little tassels at the end, that would arrive horribly mangled and miscast from FW 9 times out of 10.
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And this is how a multipart resin mini can look like. Wait, I must have photoshopped those 2cm of cape out of it and photoshopped in the crown and ribbons, because those are clearly impossible in resin.



This is a photo of the prototype, but I actually have this mini in a production version and it is 100% awesome, as it benefits from both great detail density of resin and multipart casting.


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And no, Exocrine has nowhere near the level of surface detail Dimacheron or Malanthrope has, have you ever seen those in person? They are standing less than a meter from me as I write those words, all three of them, two detailed FW models and an Exocrine flat as hell in comparison.

And Eltharion still has a cape wrinkles limited by the medium, sorry, it could have way more natural looking cape when done in resin.

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nou wrote:
And this is how a multipart resin mini can look like. Wait, I must have photoshopped those 2cm of cape out of it and photoshopped in the crown and ribbons, because those are clearly impossible in resin.



This is a photo of the prototype, but I actually have this mini in a production version and it is 100% awesome, as it benefits from both great detail density of resin and multipart casting.


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And no, Exocrine has nowhere near the level of surface detail Dimacheron or Malanthrope has, have you ever seen those in person? They are standing less than a meter from me as I write those words.

And Eltharion still has a cape wrinkles limited by the medium, sorry, it could have way more natural looking cape when done in resin.


What model is that, out of interest?
   
 
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