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Hi, just a theory (or had it been done)…. But my understanding is that only the the HQ level necrons are sentient and have retained their sentient minds, the other necrons are instructed via command codes. And if they are machines there must be some sort of software.

So is there a reason why one of the chaos gods or clever demons or maybe someone in the dark mechanicum (probably worshiping Tzeench) couldn’t write some “chaos code” and hack some necron warriors. Possibly then infusing them with a demon?
   
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2nd Editions Necrons were called chaos iirc.

I think the sentience is on a spectrum.
   
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 Manchild 1984 wrote:
2nd Editions Necrons were called chaos iirc.

You're confusing them with Chaos Androids, which were something completely different (daemon-possessed bodies created by Chaos Squats).
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Manchild 1984 wrote:
2nd Editions Necrons were called chaos iirc.

You're confusing them with Chaos Androids, which were something completely different (daemon-possessed bodies created by Chaos Squats).

do these still exist in the retconned version?
   
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 Manchild 1984 wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Manchild 1984 wrote:
2nd Editions Necrons were called chaos iirc.

You're confusing them with Chaos Androids, which were something completely different (daemon-possessed bodies created by Chaos Squats).

do these still exist in the retconned version?

Pretty sure they don't, unless GW decides to bring them back.
Necrons as they are now (and ever since 3rd ed) are directly opposed to chaos.
In fact, prior to the ward retcon the Necron/C'tan's endgame was to sever the galaxy from the Warp, so the C'tan can feast in piece.

After the retcon this isn't really the case, although Necrons are still opposed to Chaos and developed countermeasures against it.

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I mean the Necrons still want to hold the Warp at bay, that's what the Pylon network around Cadia was for after all and the Pariah Nexus is an experiment in removing the Warp entirely from realspace. Species that used Psychic powers were one of the few things the Necrontyr struggled against during the War in Heaven.
   
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Chaos androids were just from the space crusade hasbro game, never a big feature in 40k itself. Remarkably similar in appearance to necrons, so could be be a good modelling hook if you wanted to go the chaos necron route for an army.
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Well. Not really. As such.

There’s nothing of interest in a Necron to tempt the forces of Chaos. Strictly speaking, they’re missing at least part of their soul - indeed Daemons are said of have feasted on the C’Tan’s left overs during bio-transference.

And in terms of Necron Noblility? Chaos has very, very little to offer. Power? Already got it, ta. Immortality? Starts to be a drag after a while.

Remember, Chaos exploits chinks in the psyche, and drives passion and desire into insanity. Given Necron Nobility are all varying degrees of Hatstand already, and able to indulge themselves as they see fit? Again not a whole lot for Chaos to exploit.

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Nurgle offers diseases, pretty cool eh?
   
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The Necrons cannot be corrupted by Chaos and God I hope it stays that way. I don't like Chaos affecting everything. The Necrons are the only ones who can end Chaos.
   
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Anything can happen, but demons want a juicy soul. Without a soul there's nothing really inside any Necron for a demon to feed upon.

Now there are machines bound to Chaos Demons, however I believe this requires a warp-smith to basically beat and chain the demon into the machine.

Could this be done to Necrons? Perhaps, but you'd likely need a dead tomb world where the Necrons are inactive in order to give yourself time to corrupt their bodies, since otherwise Necrons do the whole vanishing act when they die.




The other issue is that Necrons, Orks and Tyranids all share an element of group thinking that makes it much easier for them to identify rogue elements. So chances are Chaos cannot hide and build power within them. So again that leads us down the need for it to be a world where basically all they are using are dead/disabled Necron bodies


At which point most of the power is likely coming from the soul starved demon itself so you could get any bundle of wires, metal and rivets and beat a demon into them and get a similar kind of effect.


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 F.E.A.R. wrote:
The Necrons cannot be corrupted by Chaos and God I hope it stays that way. I don't like Chaos affecting everything. The Necrons are the only ones who can end Chaos.



Don't forget the Tyranids who:

1) Would eat all life in the Galaxy thus starving Chaos

2) Have a Shadow in the Warp effect that drives back demons even within the warp itself.

3) Have no religious, social or other vices to be tempted from the greater whole; nor to stop them in their relentless feeding .



Basically the perfect anti-chaos weapon

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 Overread wrote:

Don't forget the Tyranids who:

1) Would eat all life in the Galaxy thus starving Chaos

2) Have a Shadow in the Warp effect that drives back demons even within the warp itself.

3) Have no religious, social or other vices to be tempted from the greater whole; nor to stop them in their relentless feeding .



Basically the perfect anti-chaos weapon

Yeah I forgot about those space eating maggots. Yeah they can starve Chaos but at cost of all life in the Galaxy? No thanks! I prefer ma souless machines to be the victors in the End Times. I'm not a Necron fan, but I see the Necrons as the only solution to Chaos, as a Chaos fan. That way, most of the problems would be fixed.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well. Not really. As such.

There’s nothing of interest in a Necron to tempt the forces of Chaos. Strictly speaking, they’re missing at least part of their soul - indeed Daemons are said of have feasted on the C’Tan’s left overs during bio-transference.

And in terms of Necron Noblility? Chaos has very, very little to offer. Power? Already got it, ta. Immortality? Starts to be a drag after a while.

Remember, Chaos exploits chinks in the psyche, and drives passion and desire into insanity. Given Necron Nobility are all varying degrees of Hatstand already, and able to indulge themselves as they see fit? Again not a whole lot for Chaos to exploit.
Huuhmmm. I guess I kinda disagree with this idea that Necron sentience is somehow incorruptible. They were (unfortunately) given very human traits as part of the 'Warding'. Once you are able to exhibit ego, desire for conquest or power, greed or just obsessiveness, you're in corruptible territorry.

Necrons maybe can get off on a technicality for being non-biological or soulless/untethered to the Warp. But as for their characteristics of personality, I think they'd be plenty succeptible.


Edit: related question - Is there such a thing as corruption of Tau?

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I don't know what problems Necrons have but Flayed Ones, destroyers and Zandrekh are insane
   
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The characteristics and personalities are all false though, at any point a higher ranking Cron can just pull the plug. So hypothetically if an Overlord of the Sautehk Dynasty started worshipping the Dark Gods, Imotekh could just wipe it and reprogram the Overlord.


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I don't know what problems Necrons have but Flayed Ones, destroyers and Zandrekh are insane

Zandrekh isn't actually insane, he plays the fool to keep his enemies of balance and because he honestly enjoys it.

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Edit: related question - Is there such a thing as corruption of Tau?

Their very existence is a form of corruption.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Edit: related question - Is there such a thing as corruption of Tau?

Their very existence is a form of corruption.


Heh.

Even from the earliest fluff, there was the hint of corruption due to Farsight’s Dawnblade. I haven’t kept up with the most recent fluff though to see if there was any actual payoff from that foreshadowing.

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 Gert wrote:


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 Manchild 1984 wrote:
I don't know what problems Necrons have but Flayed Ones, destroyers and Zandrekh are insane

Zandrekh isn't actually insane, he plays the fool to keep his enemies of balance and because he honestly enjoys it.

Then again he also doesn't seem to know that Doomsday Arks can fly, so he seems to have a few screws loose.

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On the potential for Warriors, which are largely Drones to be infested with scrap code and daemons and that?

Well. I guess that’s technically possible. First of course you’d need to gather some subjects, no mean feat with their tendency to teleport away.

Test subjects in hand, particularly for daemon binding, you need to inscribe sigils. That in itself is one hell of an effort, given the self repairing nature of even the lowliest Necron. Could you get them on there? Sure. The trick is keeping them on. And when they come off, unless the daemon was willingly bound (entirely possible), you might not want to be in the general vicinity.

The scrap code way? Is it even compatible with whatever passes for coding for Necrons? Is the hardware compatible? Given the immeasurably vast gulf between the science of man and Necrontyr, is there even something to attempt to corrupt with the scrap code? Whilst I don’t recall reading any kind of self-fixing coding, firewalls etc in terms of Necrons, I feel we have to assume it’s there. And being Necrontyr in origin, almost certainly very advanced. After all, when Szarekh was making use of the Command Protocols (which ensured absolute obedience across the species) you really don’t want anyone hacking into that - friend or foe.

So I don’t want to say it’s impossible. But I think it’s almost certainly way more trouble than it’s worth.

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I guess I don't see technical barriers as being a "thing" when dealing with corruption. Like, you can use technology to aid in keeping Chaos at bay (Gellar Fields), but anything technical can still be corrupted. There are daemon tanks, guns, swords. . . bullets even, if I'm not mistaken.

I mean, maybe Necrons have some specific warp-anathema code or something to their basic makeup (I certainly wouldn't put that past the C'tan). But due to the very nature of Chaos, I would think that if there wasn't some built-in anti-chaos I'd say they could be "corruptible".

My greater question is more about the nature of Chaos, hence the Tau question. Are Tau less susceptible to corruption because they have less of a tie with the Warp? Does that mean Necrons become incorruptible because they have no "tie"?

My inclination is that Necrons would be incorruptible because of that "no-Warp-tie" relationship. Not because of personality or high-tech or anything like that.

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Well, your code still needs to corrupt something. And to do that, I think we can infer you need to know what that is in the first place.

I mean, people have been able to write malicious code for a long old time. But I’m typing on my iPad right now. Pop back in time, and ask a programmer of ZX Spectrum Games to write some malicious code to affect this particular device, and they’ve got their work cut out for them just learning this newer and far more complex coding language (which might be proprietary as well?).

It’s certainly an interesting topic I don’t think we’ve seen explored in any official canon. Hence I’m shying away from absolutes.

There’s also the question that should you pull it off? Then what? A Tomb Complex must surely have layers of defence against such things. And given, so far as we can tell, nobody has even tried it in who knows how many billions of years, we’ve no idea how complex and effective that might be, or how many layers you need to overcome.

Certainly I suspect it wouldn’t be as easy as infect a bunch, send them home, watch it spread.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, your code still needs to corrupt something.

I don't think Chaos needs "something". If inert objects such as swords can become "chaosified", I kinda think the sky's the limit. Obviously a sword can't worship the dark gods. . . But then even as I write that . . . I guess they can? A daemon sword is a sword with a daemon in it. A possessed psyker is a psyker with a daemon in it. A possessed tank is a tank with a daemon in it. Once the daemon is in there, there's a level of consiousness that is part of/'worships' a chosen chaos god.

So the in-universe rules for possession sorta don't care about consciousness, code, or whatever. You can have a "daemon rock".

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, your code still needs to corrupt something. And to do that, I think we can infer you need to know what that is in the first place.

I mean, people have been able to write malicious code for a long old time. But I’m typing on my iPad right now. Pop back in time, and ask a programmer of ZX Spectrum Games to write some malicious code to affect this particular device, and they’ve got their work cut out for them just learning this newer and far more complex coding language (which might be proprietary as well?).

It’s certainly an interesting topic I don’t think we’ve seen explored in any official canon. Hence I’m shying away from absolutes.

There’s also the question that should you pull it off? Then what? A Tomb Complex must surely have layers of defence against such things. And given, so far as we can tell, nobody has even tried it in who knows how many billions of years, we’ve no idea how complex and effective that might be, or how many layers you need to overcome.

Certainly I suspect it wouldn’t be as easy as infect a bunch, send them home, watch it spread.


What I was thinking was that the code itself is corrupt, perhaps some form of demon code, could a demons would be bonded with super computer and live in the CPU… then spread its code. Int the same way that simply reading from certain books can summon a demon (didn’t that happen in one of the first HH books?)

The code would agressivly replace the code running the necron drone and and spread through whatever they have that counts and a network.

Why you ask? If necrons have no presence in the warp? It doesn’t mean Choas forces don’t need a weapon against necrons or would want to use necrons as a weapon or to push some humans or eldar down a certain path as part of a nefarious plan.

Also simply for the power they would control.
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, your code still needs to corrupt something.

I don't think Chaos needs "something". If inert objects such as swords can become "chaosified", I kinda think the sky's the limit. Obviously a sword can't worship the dark gods. . . But then even as I write that . . . I guess they can? A daemon sword is a sword with a daemon in it. A possessed psyker is a psyker with a daemon in it. A possessed tank is a tank with a daemon in it. Once the daemon is in there, there's a level of consiousness that is part of/'worships' a chosen chaos god.

So the in-universe rules for possession sorta don't care about consciousness, code, or whatever. You can have a "daemon rock".


Still need binding sigils to hold the Daemon. As I speculated, with Necrodermis being self repairing, I suspect whilst one could carve the necessary symbols in, the trick would be keeping them inscribed, and thus the Daemon bound within.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, your code still needs to corrupt something. And to do that, I think we can infer you need to know what that is in the first place.

I mean, people have been able to write malicious code for a long old time. But I’m typing on my iPad right now. Pop back in time, and ask a programmer of ZX Spectrum Games to write some malicious code to affect this particular device, and they’ve got their work cut out for them just learning this newer and far more complex coding language (which might be proprietary as well?).

It’s certainly an interesting topic I don’t think we’ve seen explored in any official canon. Hence I’m shying away from absolutes.

There’s also the question that should you pull it off? Then what? A Tomb Complex must surely have layers of defence against such things. And given, so far as we can tell, nobody has even tried it in who knows how many billions of years, we’ve no idea how complex and effective that might be, or how many layers you need to overcome.

Certainly I suspect it wouldn’t be as easy as infect a bunch, send them home, watch it spread.


What I was thinking was that the code itself is corrupt, perhaps some form of demon code, could a demons would be bonded with super computer and live in the CPU… then spread its code. Int the same way that simply reading from certain books can summon a demon (didn’t that happen in one of the first HH books?)

The code would agressivly replace the code running the necron drone and and spread through whatever they have that counts and a network.

Why you ask? If necrons have no presence in the warp? It doesn’t mean Choas forces don’t need a weapon against necrons or would want to use necrons as a weapon or to push some humans or eldar down a certain path as part of a nefarious plan.

Also simply for the power they would control.


I suspect you’d still need knowledge of the target programming language. Dark Mech has good success against Imperial Tech for obvious reasons and explanations. Necron programming? Who knows, but I strongly suspect it’s far from an easy task.

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 Gert wrote:
The characteristics and personalities are all false though, at any point a higher ranking Cron can just pull the plug. So hypothetically if an Overlord of the Sautehk Dynasty started worshipping the Dark Gods, Imotekh could just wipe it and reprogram the Overlord.

Hypothetically this also means that if a Phaeron like Imotekh gets corrupted the entire dynasty gets corrupted too.
This would not happen if a C'tan was in control, as by their very nature they are supposed to be incorruptible by the warp.

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Yeah obviously there is a point of no return if somehow the Silent King got corrupted as he is the highest ranking Necron "alive". But the point being that it would be extremely difficult to get to that stage.
   
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Cawl was able to 'hack' Canoptek constructs in "Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work" - but they're pure machines, aren't they?

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