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I think Lelith is the strongest Eldar fighter other than the Phoenix Lords themselves, so I wonder if she could defeat the greatest herald of Slaanesh?


Round 1: 1v1 battle in real space


Ranoud 2: 1v1 battle in real space, but the Dark Eldar and demons are fighting around, because of which Lelith constantly becomes stronger due to their suffering and death



Lelith's exploits include holding the title of champion of the arena for 6,000 years and defeating various monsters and champions of other factions. The only time she was injured was in a 6 hour battle against the champion Space Marines, Cadulon, who won Feast of Blades twice.

I can't say much about Masque, but she was fast enough to easily dodge Skarbrand's attacks, although she was easily defeated by Solitaire and later by Jain Zar.
   
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Threads like this tend to get answered in a similar way each time.

* It depends on the author/which faction is the star of the story in question.

* The loser will be the one that's easiest to bring back later in order to avoid permanently killing a character. Daemons are easier to "kill" without permanently removing from the setting, so Lelith has a slight edge. Although drukhkari ressurection tech dulls that edge.

More helpful answer: Lelith should probably win. I know you're asking about lore rather than game mechanics, but stay with me. The stats models are given in the game are GW's means of telling us something about those models. Back when Weapon Skill was a positive number that got compared, Lelith's WS was something like 9 or 10 while the Masque's was something like 5 0r 6. Depending on the edition, Lelith also (potentially) had more Attacks iirc. Invul saves and similar Strength and Toughness values make their weapons kind of a wash. I think the two generally had the same or similar Wounds stats.

So basically, Lelith tended to have much more impressive stats than the Masque. The story these stats tell us is that Lelith is the better combatant. The Masque has their fancy dance magic, but the dance magic is depicted as not being an auto-win for the Masque. So yeah. Seems like GW thinks Lelith should defeat the Masque more often than not.

Also...

Ranoud 2: 1v1 battle in real space, but the Dark Eldar and demons are fighting around, because of which Lelith constantly becomes stronger due to their suffering and death

While Slaaneshi units don't have a Power From Pain mechanic, you could probably make the argument that they (along with most daemons) would also gain strength from the warp energy generated by the extreme emotions of those on the battlefield. So pain-vampirism is probably a wash unless we have a reason to think that Lelith gains a significantly bigger boost from suffering than daemons do.


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One on one, the Lelith vs. the Masque would probably go like the Russ vs. Angron fight in the other thread--Lelith can't defeat the Masque in a way that would matter to the Masque (even though the fight would probably end with the Masque discorporated).

If it's anything other than one-on-one, though, everyone else present is going to end up getting killed.
   
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Lelith would win purely because the Masque can't perma-die unless it's done by something like the Emperor's Sword. Like with any character that is effectively immortal (look at Lucius for example), they are set up to be gimped by people particularly named characters since they don't have to suffer any consequences for dying a few times.
   
 
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