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So for my Sisters army I plan to have a separate detachment with an inquisitor and his retinue, but I honestly hate the look of these models and was thinking of using grey knights instead. In the 40K universe would this be something that could happen or do the GK and Inquisition stay away from one another?

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/inquisition/Ordo-Malleus-Inquisitor-in-Terminator-Armour
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=Warhammer%2040000%20Inquisition%20Ordo%20Malleus%20Inquisitor%20in%20Terminator%20Armour%20miniature

Or in short, the Grey Knights have an extremely close relationship with the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition.

Ah thanks.

Just remember to paint them in the livery of the 7th brotherhood.

The Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. It means that generally the two organisations work very closely and often an Inquisitor will accompany a Grey Knight strike force (just not always into battle). If a Chaos incursion happens to be too much for an Inquisitor and their forces to handle, then they will often request the aid of the Grey Knights.

 Gert wrote:
The Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. It means that generally the two organisations work very closely and often an Inquisitor will accompany a Grey Knight strike force (just not always into battle). If a Chaos incursion happens to be too much for an Inquisitor and their forces to handle, then they will often request the aid of the Grey Knights.

Guessing this is the relationship between Order Xenos and the Death Watch?

Yes indeed. The Adepta Sororitas also act as the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The Grey Knights are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. It means that generally the two organisations work very closely and often an Inquisitor will accompany a Grey Knight strike force (just not always into battle). If a Chaos incursion happens to be too much for an Inquisitor and their forces to handle, then they will often request the aid of the Grey Knights.

Guessing this is the relationship between Order Xenos and the Death Watch?

Yeah I think DW are introduced as more autonomous now, but when they were originally introduced they were extremely closely tied with inquisitors. I really liked the old 3rd (?) edition books where GK and SOB each shared their book with their respective inquisition orders.

I keep pushing for sisters, grey knights, deathwatch, and inquisitors being lumped into one book, it would be a blast.

Yeah, I would love to see a book that let you integrate inquisitors & co, the three chambers, and storm troopers into a list. That era of inquisition was so cool, and while the horse is out of the barn re: DW and GK getting full armies (which I still think was unnecessary and thematically boring), it would be great to have an army with the old pseudo-killteam options where there was a specialist squad or two attached to a conventional army. (Yes, obviously there are ways to do this with allies etc., but I think there should be a difference between everyone getting to do that and specific sections like the imperial agents category.)

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
I keep pushing for sisters, grey knights, deathwatch, and inquisitors being lumped into one book, it would be a blast.

If this ever happened, we would lose soooo much content.

Releasing an Imperial Agents dex with an Inquisition list and ruleset specifically designed to work with the chambers militant would be a much better solution.

I mean desthwatch lost content in 9th by virtue of becoming just another marine chapter, and honestly they would be much stronger and interesting if able to mesh together with 2 other armies without consequence. And going to be honest, I don’t count strats and relics as content. “Oh wow, a three damage XxXxxx, how wonderful.”
It would add meaningful content by having all those datasheets be able to work together.

Not sure where Deathwatch lost content when the army got access to every other Marine unit like it always should have.

It lost all the flavor, being restricted to a smaller set of units but ones that really worked better together was much more interesting. Old kill teams got auto pass morale for having a termi, heroic intervention for a black shield and other stuff like that. Don’t even get me started on how taping two bolters together locks off special ammo. Now they’re just a standard marine chapter, it’s very uninteresting.


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Also, deathwatch had all the models it needed, they’re spec ops, they really don’t have any need for centurions.

Agree to disagree because I enjoy the access to more things.

PenitentJake wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
I keep pushing for sisters, grey knights, deathwatch, and inquisitors being lumped into one book, it would be a blast.

If this ever happened, we would lose soooo much content.

Releasing an Imperial Agents dex with an Inquisition list and ruleset specifically designed to work with the chambers militant would be a much better solution.

How would it lose content? The old Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters books had so much flavor and content to them. I'm still sad that they got all broken up into individual armies - to run the old Daemonhunters lists you need something like 3 books now, maybe 4? I have no clue at this point where Assassins and IInquisition are listed. Plus the fact that I think at the moment only the Inquisitor themself can slot into a detachment for free, if you want any Inquisition units, which have mostly been gutted and either removed from the game essentially or given to other factions, you need a whole detachment for just that.

You used to be able to have an Inquisitor and their retinue rolling around, with their personal escort of Stormtroopers, and then depending on the book would have Grey Knights or Sisters backing them up, and can make use of inducted Imperial Guard units or Space Marines. Between the options and the wargear, there was so much flavor to be had in those books, and its honestly a shame to see them gone.

Man, just giving a casual glance and in 5th Inquisition lost Stormtroopers, and the only thing beyond Grey Knights they could take was a henchman warband that while customizable lost some of the flavor in the old book, and the assassins. 7th Inquisition and Grey Knights were separated entirely, then with the Sisters rerelease no Inquisition in sight either.

Sisters at least feel stand alone by themselves, especially with all the new stuff they have gotten. Grey Knights just feel like they are missing something, since they really never gained much while losing something like 2/3 of their codex since 3rd. Inquisition lost basically everything, Grey Knights gained a couple of units and lost access to Inquisition, Stormtroopers, Imperial Guard, Assassins, etc.

Though yeah, an Imperial Agents book that actually gave them the care they deserve instead of a bandaid fix would be a nice halfway point. Its just annoying that to run a perfectly normal list from the olden days you need to take something like 3 detachments due to how the books were gutted up. 4 if you want your Stormtroopers and inducted Guard to both have doctrines.

Also to answer op, yeah, Grey Knights and Inquisition used to be in the same book - the groups work closely together.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
I mean desthwatch lost content in 9th by virtue of becoming just another marine chapter, and honestly they would be much stronger and interesting if able to mesh together with 2 other armies without consequence. And going to be honest, I don’t count strats and relics as content. “Oh wow, a three damage XxXxxx, how wonderful.”
It would add meaningful content by having all those datasheets be able to work together.

Nope.

They gained Fortis, Indomitor and Spectrus Kill Teams, Crusade content, a whole system of Specialisms, etc. I think they also picked up more units by being a part of the SM dex.

If I remember correctly, there are a fair number of rule changes from 8th to 9th that people didn't like, but we actually have more content than before. I should clarify that for the purpose of this discussion, when I say "Content" I mean rules, not fluff. I have the 8th dex and the 9th supplement; I haven't done a direct comparison, but I love my Fortis and Indomitor KT's.

If you aren't counting strats and relics as content though, there's little chance that you and I will ever see eye to eye on anything, so it's best to just agree to disagree out of the gate.

For the Record:

My favourite relic in the Deathwatch book is the one that allows the bearer access to special ammo; there's a strat that lets you give it to a sergeant. My Fortis team earned one for helping a firstborn team hold an objective- narratively, the mission, the objective, the XP and the Battle Honour are all a part of the story of the battle where the old marines finally accepted the new Primaris Team as battle brothers- hence the access to the Death Watch's signature ammunition.

My favourite WL traits are the tactical ones- the one that lets a unit shoot even if they perform an action and the one that grants or doubles Obsec. My Watchmaster has both.