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Trigun is probably the anime that means the most to me personally, as it really ticked alot of checkmarks for me into deciding what I actually liked in anime. I really dont know if I should watch this as it could be spectacular, or it could hurt my memories.
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I know I'd rip out the giant mutants and other silly stuff (including a lot of the main character's personality, and a lot of other people would find the heart ripped out of the series.
Just how many reboots have been THAT successful versus the number that just plain bomb, to make media producers think rebooting old series is a good idea?
BSG comes to mind; I may not have liked the reboot, but I'll admit it was a far greater commercial success than the original.
Star Wars reboot/sequels may have made a mint, but there was a pretty big dropoff in ticket sales between VII and IX.
Star Trek, again made a mint, but seems to be slowly bleeding fans as well.
Ghostbusters flopped, Cowboy Beebop flopped...probably quite a few others I'm not remembering. But rebooting Batman and Spider Man every ten years or so seems to be be pretty profitable.
Vulcan wrote: Just how many reboots have been THAT successful versus the number that just plain bomb, to make media producers think rebooting old series is a good idea?
Part of it is fooling ourselves that whether or not old fans like something is the measure of success for the guys at the corporate office.
The Last Jedi was contentious as feth but it still made 1.3 billion dollars. The Rise of Skywalker making less on a higher budget is what caused Disney to begin reevaluating its film strategy, not fans having flame wars over the topic. No one at Disney, or any other media producer, will ever read a word we say on DakkaDakka. They will see if they make money and the truth is that reboots make money fairly reliably even when they they're tossing the corpse of someone's self-professed childhood into the river with cement shoes.
So yeah. I'd say you answered the question by the end. As long as there appears to be money in it someone will invest to try and get that money.
And honestly, reboots can be loved by fans. Dragon Ball Super wasn't exactly universally well-received, but the revival of Dragon Ball in the mid-2010s only seems to have grown the franchise. Gundam has been rebooting itself for 30 years and is a multi-billion dollar franchise with a new entry coming this very year. BSG as you previously noted was critically well received and popular up to its end. Star Wars' failures in Theaters have almost certain been outmatched by its successes on TV and streaming. Reboots work about as often as any other media with the advantage of already knowing an audience exists.
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I might compare it to Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. I have been told that when the original Trigun anime was out there was only a small fraction of available manga compared to what they’ve got published now. This could allow them to go a lot further with the story this go around. Perhaps less of a reboot, rather more an expansion, but they haven’t said what their actual aim is yet.
The original duel with Knives is one of my favorite pieces of animation ever. I'm not sure I need the story redone at all, though the early episodes are a little slow putting everything in place. This feels overall unnecessary, but if they get into Maximum I'm all for it.
Just how many reboots have been THAT successful versus the number that just plain bomb, to make media producers think rebooting old series is a good idea?
A whole lot more if you look at Anime in particular.
The tradition of remaking anime goes back quite a ways- mostly it is motivated by the first version's lack of adherence to the original manga (often the anime overtakes the Manga story it was following and they either go into lots of filler stuff of they make up their own different ending).
So we've got examples like Evangelion (which I think was remade twice), Full Metal Alchemist, Hellsing. Gundam, Dragon Ball, Ghost in the Shell and Berserk.
And if you include sequels ad nauseam, you get to include stuff like Pokemon and Sword Art Online.
In a lot of cases fans debate which version is better, and some fans prefer the manga to either. But the fact that there can be a question about which is superior indicates that they aren't totally rejected by the fans.
- Conversely, live action remakes of anime do not seem to do well. With those "barely watchable" becomes a high praise.
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Just how many reboots have been THAT successful versus the number that just plain bomb, to make media producers think rebooting old series is a good idea?
I think it comes down to needing a good reason to reboot. If you're just going to tell exactly the same story in the same way, why bother? If you're trying to cash in on name recognition, the result will probably be poor.
To take one of your examples, BSG worked because the core idea of the original was good, but arguably poorly executed. The reboot both expanded on that story and took a slightly different approach and told a bit of a different story, which was much more character driven.
There's also the fact that nostalgia can be very powerful. The first time you encounter a piece of fiction is very powerful and its almost impossible to recreate that feeling. Rebooting something, even if its technically better, with better acting, animation, special effects or whatever, can't easily recapture that. I think that's why it's so important a reboot is more than just a remake.
Yeah, not impressed. Too many CGI shortcuts to avoid doing the real work on quality animation. Make me wonder what other shortcuts to avoid putting in the real work to make a quality product have been taken.
Now I'll be the first to admit, amazing animation does not mean a show is great, nor does pretty basic animation (coughLupintheThirdseriestwocough) make a show bad. But I've seen a lot of anime in this general style that... well, let's just say I find it to generally be pretty lackluster.
Vulcan wrote: let's just say I find it to generally be pretty lackluster.
Because it's quite literally shoestring budget animation.
Star Wars Visions' The Duel is the only time I've seen this kind of CGI actually look good. I suppose it's possible they're spruce it up before release, but this looks like the same kind of animation Netflix uses a lot when it chucks something out just to have content and didn't bother paying anyone to make it look good.
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I'm not thrilled by the look by any means, but I'll give the Beastars team the benefit of the doubt. They've been pretty successful with the style and definitely know how to leverage the cinematography benefits. Willing to wait and see, but I'm not really needing young Vash as a storyline either.
