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https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/mYZ4b5gZUiktj4GI.pdf

Looks like we get the new points a few days before the new Chapter Approved.

Not had a chance to go through them yet, but I look forward to many head-scratching changes.

Thank you. Also it looks like GW is a bunch of funny guys who like to joke around. One has to appriciate that.

Tyranid points nerfs, some major ones. Some questionable ones. Directly nerfing Warriors rather than the overperforming loadout (dual boneswords, str5 -2 gun i forget its name).

A slightly more in-depth look reveals this is pretty low-effort. I don't play any of the currently busted armies, so I assume there's more going on there.

As an example: Heavy Intercessors are still 28 points. BA best units got cheaper but most other SM units didn't change significantly (???). Necrons got some buffs, but probably not enough.

Just because a unit doesn't show up often doesn't mean it also needs a point cut. Some do, but not all.

Then what does it need. If it is not being used, then clearly there is something wrong with it.

Fellblades down 50 PPM. Groovy.

Karol wrote:
Then what does it need. If it is not being used, then clearly there is something wrong with it.

sometimes, stuff isnt used because theres better options. So if the better option gets nerfed, or a change in the meta happens, these underused units can become playable without any changes.

Sanguinary Guard getting a 2 point discount is a bit of a head-scratcher. They are a staple of competitive lists and really benefit from Armour of Contempt. Oh well, that saves me 20 points in my regular list.

One other thing that's easy to miss: there's a balance dataslate due tomorrow according to the last paragraph of the article on WarCom.

Slipspace wrote:
One other thing that's easy to miss: there's a balance dataslate due tomorrow according to the last paragraph of the article on WarCom.

Sigh, why not release it at the same time as the points -.- fething GW, man

The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
One other thing that's easy to miss: there's a balance dataslate due tomorrow according to the last paragraph of the article on WarCom.

Sigh, why not release it at the same time as the points -.- fething GW, man

I mean it's a day. Let's just process the points and then hit the dataslate in context.


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 Eldarsif wrote:
The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

Yea seems really solid. Maybe people will break out that deepstrike AoR.

 Thadin wrote:
Directly nerfing Warriors rather than the overperforming loadout (dual boneswords, str5 -2 gun i forget its name).

That is by far the worst hit the Tyranids have taken.

By choosing to increase the points of Warriors rather than adding a cost to Twin Boneswords/Deathspitters they have guaranteed that that is the only combo worth taking, as the others aren't effective enough to justify the increased cost.

Their hamfisted attempts to balance a Tyranid unit has, in effect, created a larger amount of imbalance. I am simply in awe of their continued ability to reach new heights of utter incompetence at every turn.

Could someone remind me if this new system includes base wargear or not?

I'm trying to work out whether the Venom has dropped 10pts but I'm scratching my head as to whether it pays an extra 10pts for the base Splinter Cannon?

If it has a points cost for a weapon, and that weapon is part of its default loadout, then you have to pay for it.

Extra 70pts for a Stormsurge is a big oof, but I'll still use it, don't get the mindset of those who claim it's "literally unplayable" the moment the points go up.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it has a points cost for a weapon, and that weapon is part of its default loadout, then you have to pay for it.

Ah, I see.

In other news, I hate GW so much.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:
Then what does it need. If it is not being used, then clearly there is something wrong with it.

sometimes, stuff isnt used because theres better options. So if the better option gets nerfed, or a change in the meta happens, these underused units can become playable without any changes.

Okey, but those don't happen in a CA, you need a codex for that and we are at an end of an edition, so the chance to update a unit for any faction, in maner that would make it more enticing to use is zero for most faction. We are talking here stuff that for some factions could happen in 2023 or even 2024.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

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 Eldarsif wrote:
The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

Yea seems really solid. Maybe people will break out that deepstrike AoR.

I am actually excited and inspired to paint the rest of my Plague Marines. Long live the Lord of Barbarus. Long live Mortarion.

Karol wrote:

Okey, but those don't happen in a CA, you need a codex for that and we are at an end of an edition, so the chance to update a unit for any faction, in maner that would make it more enticing to use is zero for most faction. We are talking here stuff that for some factions could happen in 2023 or even 2024.

Ok. lets take a simple example.

Gaunts aren't being played as much as warriors right now because warriors are just better.

What if Warriors now cost 100ppm? Guess what, Gaunts will be played even if their pts cost didnt change (exaggeration obviously but the same can happen with smaller points changes)

Maybe I missed it and that already happened in the last points updates but it looks like the Sentinel Weapons are now "baked in" the 40 points unit cost. Sucks for the Multilaser Sentinel which loses its only advantage of being cheaper. Great for lascannon sentinels that go down 10 points (from 50 to 40, so -20%)

Should I move this to news and rumors?

 Eldarsif wrote:
The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

Plague Marine updates?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

Plague Marine updates?

Plague Marines themselves did not change, but their loadouts now all cost 0 points. For some reason I wrote updates instead of loadout. I should probably stay off the sauce.

 Eldarsif wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
The most exciting thing is that Plague Marine updates are now free.

Finally it is their time to shine in the sun.

Plague Marine updates?

Plague Marines themselves did not change, but their loadouts now all cost 0 points. For some reason I wrote updates instead of loadout. I should probably stay off the sauce.

Eh, still won't use them out of principle with the terribly designed unit entry.

The GW rules writer who has a fetish for Power Level must have eaten/absorbed the other rules writers, as that can be the only explanation for Plague Marines (and plenty of other slightly less striking examples including Tyranid Warriors).

Absolute lunacy that a squad of 5 costs 105 points whether it has 5 bolters or it has 2 plasma guns, 1 blight launcher and 2 bolters (as well as a free power fist on the champion and you might as well take the 2 icons/banners on the 2 bolter guys so they don't feel left out).

I think you can make a legitimate looking 320 point 10 man unit that now thanks to the free upgrades will cost 210 points compared to the current all bolters 210 point unit which stays 210 points.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


Ok. lets take a simple example.

Gaunts aren't being played as much as warriors right now because warriors are just better.

What if Warriors now cost 100ppm? Guess what, Gaunts will be played even if their pts cost didnt change (exaggeration obviously but the same can happen with smaller points changes)

But GW did not and would not make warriors 100pts per model. At least not without producing a new model for them, which would mean a new codex, which they just got, so it wouldn't happen. This is talking about potential changes, and of the type GW doesn't do. What I am talking about is real changes that should have been done to units to make them playable. Which is specialy true, when with necrons they more they agreed to have dropped the ball hard, and lowered the point cost of practicaly everything necron.

Looks like the App is not updated correctly.


I can only speak for Deathguard, but app still showing old prices for:

Blightlord Terminators
Poxwalkers
PlagueMarine Weapons etc

Most others are on there so the update has happened, just not comprehensive

Doohicky wrote:
Looks like the App is not updated correctly.


I can only speak for Deathguard, but app still showing old prices for:

Blightlord Terminators
Poxwalkers
PlagueMarine Weapons etc

Most others are on there so the update has happened, just not comprehensive

Who wants to take bets Battlescribe will be up to date sooner or at the same time LOL