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This cutscene from Space Marine game.

https://youtu.be/ZJjgCJ5MXdA?t=286

Would Ork Boyz really act this way ven against just a few Chaos Demons? The scene is impossible to bleive esp since I had games where an Ork Boyz unit suffered over 50% casualties against Bloodletters yet still refused to flee because of boost to leadershp from a Warboss and magick from Weirdnobs.

There was even one game I lost but an Ork unit didn't flee because of lucky rolls.

So is this acton actually accurate to lore? The Space Marine game made it like the Orks who weren't warboss were so terrified of even simple Chaos demon fodder (the easy to kill Bloodletters in this case) that they not only fled but they dropped their choppas along the way. And that its only the antagonist Warboss of the game who stood against the bloodletters (and eventually killed them).

I mean wouldn't Boyz from a unit with no casualties and jsut entred fresh charge at the Bloodletters in Lore? Afterall the CHaos Gods have express bafflement of Ork psychology and one God even was so impressed with a arboss's attempt to raid the CHaos dimension that he resurrected him and his Crew so they can fight and then die again then be resurrected and fight and die again over and over for all of eternity.... And the Warboos and his Ork divison don't even get demoralized because they see it as another awesome Krumping to take place everyday!

Can anyone explain? Esp the cutscene?
   
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Cut scene =/= minis game.
   
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Minis game =/= lore
   
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The cut scene seems pretty accurate to the lore as I know it. Most orks are cowardly and do what the boss says because he's bigger and meaner. Only the best of the orks become warbosses and at that point they have the unique outlook people most often recognize as orky.

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I mean Orks are a low Ld army, its their numbers that make them confident. The rules reflect that.


 
   
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Chaos Daemons also cause Fear.
   
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 Sim-Life wrote:
I mean Orks are a low Ld army, its their numbers that make them confident. The rules reflect that.


Which has always been a dumb rule/ part of the fluff. Orkz were built to fight off the fearless hordes of the necrons, furthermore, orkz have almost no pain receptors and therefore don't fear death/injuries like other races do, so the whole LD6-7 thing is stupid.

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Orks are supposed to have zero fear of death as they were never visited by the reaper grim as the other species were. Their reaction to a leadership failure should be a disorganized counterattack where the boys get cut down as they cease fighting as a unit. That or they start to fight among themselves to find a new leader even as the enemy bears down on them.
   
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SemperMortis wrote:
Which has always been a dumb rule/ part of the fluff. Orkz were built to fight off the fearless hordes of the necrons, furthermore, orkz have almost no pain receptors and therefore don't fear death/injuries like other races do, so the whole LD6-7 thing is stupid.

No, they weren't. The Krork were made to fight the Necrontyr and may have been the mythical Brain Boyz that were the precursors to the modern Ork race but they aren't the same.
   
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 Canadian 5th wrote:
Orks are supposed to have zero fear of death as they were never visited by the reaper grim as the other species were. Their reaction to a leadership failure should be a disorganized counterattack where the boys get cut down as they cease fighting as a unit. That or they start to fight among themselves to find a new leader even as the enemy bears down on them.



No. Orks have always, always been willing to flee. They'll rationalize it later as regrouping for another go, but orks aren't fearless and value their own lives.

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Orks may like to fight, and be hardwired to want to, but they aren't completely stupid or suicidal. If they don't believe they have a chance of winning they will 'tactically retreat', get more numbers then 'ave anuvver go!
Also as has been stated Daemons can cause a fear reaction in their foes - Orks clearly have the ability to fear, as thats pretty much how a Warboss gains control: fear, intimidation and a few examples keep most of the boyz in line.

Orks are designed for war, not just fighting, I'd like to think they aren't mindless and attack anything, but actually have a little tactical acumen built in - enough to recognize a losing battle and flee to preserve their fighting force. And as sentient beings, some sense of personal preservation in there as well, feeling secure in numbers works for humans too, surrounded by enough friendlies, each boy may be confident that anyone killed will be someone other than them, until the number is low enough they realize those odds are small enough to not be worth it.

So to answer the original question, yes, yes they probably would. It appears that they were few in number compared to the daemons that emerged, recognized that they would lose/die here, and potentially be affected by daemons fearful aura. So it's not unreasonable that they would indeed flee in terror at that moment.
   
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 Canadian 5th wrote:
Orks are supposed to have zero fear of death as they were never visited by the reaper grim as the other species were. Their reaction to a leadership failure should be a disorganized counterattack where the boys get cut down as they cease fighting as a unit. That or they start to fight among themselves to find a new leader even as the enemy bears down on them.


One of the things I like about the ASOIAF game is morale check failures are all representative of both running away as well as units becoming disorganized due to being scattered by a cavalry charge or whatever and losing the ability to fight. In that paradigm, orks failing a morale test makes sense; it's true that they don't have much of a fear of death but the morale rules should affect them, though not as much as they do.

In general the morale phase needs another look. You should have to take a morale test if you're near a friendly unit that gets wiped out, too, with some chance of failure; that way there's an actual downside to taking MSU's and a big mob of boyz would make sense.
   
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"Would Ork Boyz Who haven't fought and Got Injured Really Just Flee Chaos Demons like sissy cowards?"

Yes, because individual Orks are sissy cowards that require a mob to draw "courage" from.

Think of a sporting event where one person who cheers for a losing team. He might get drunk. He might sulk. But he won't do much. Then he gets into a crowd of a dozen rowdy footballer fans. They all get drunk, get mad, start flipping cars, attacking people, burning property, etc... Now you have a full on WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHH as hundreds of footballer fans are destroying streets.

Then the Space Marines, er, Police, show up. They tear gas the crowd, and the loudest ones go silent as they cover their eyes and run for cover. Now that the leaders are done for, the Ork Boyz, er, footballer fans, start to disperse and run away like sissy cowards.

It's almost as if Orks were modeled after a certain type of British culture or something...

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Yeah, I'd agree that the scene is fairly accurate. Orks are cruel bullies, but in the face of a surprise attack, a vastly more powerful opponent, being outnumbered or even psychological warfare they will totally turn tail and run so they can fight for another day.

I mean, one of the most famous ork quotes of all time outright confirms that orks will flee a battle they cannot win:
Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

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Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
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Boyz by themself maybe. If there was at least a nob around then no way.
   
 
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