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Do these named characters. If they are the warlord do they need to pay the CP to get the warlord trait? I read it as yes, but my opponent is uncertain.

Yes, you have to pay CP for the 1st warlord trait, however, if your character has multiple warlord traits its still only 1CP for all of them as opposed to 1CP per trait.

I didn't read it as this, and pretty sure BattleScribe is also not requiring that. Mostly because you never determine a warlord trait for a sc.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I didn't read it as this, and pretty sure BattleScribe is also not requiring that. Mostly because you never determine a warlord trait for a sc.

Battlescribe is not the rules. Battlescribe is done by a volunteer team of programmers.

Usually a warlord will not have a warlord trait unless you make them a warlord or buy one with CP. What is new in the new rules are that warlords do not gain a free warlord trait. So I read it as a no, they do not get one as nephilim changes this.

This is what the necron and tyranid codex says.

Named characters and warlord traits
If one of the following characters gains a warlord trait, they must have the one shown below :

And this is what the Nephilim GT says.

Players can only give models in their army relics or warlord traits if they have used a requisition stratagem to acquire them.

Warlord Trait 1CP
Requisition stratagem
Use this stratagem before the battle, when you are mustering your army, after selecting your WARLORD. If your WARLORD is a CHARACTER model, determine a warlord trait for them (this must be a warlord trait they could have). you can only use this stratagem once.

A named character doesnt automatically gain a warlord trait. It must be bought with the warlord trait stratagem.

Battlescribe does require you to spend 1CP for the mandatory trait (or traits) on named characters. Their work is generally accurate and on point.

In cases like these it's obviously always good to double check. But in general, the BS data authors are pretty on top of things.

With Nephilim you need to pay for your first WLT. Named Characters usually just say “if X is your Warlord their WLT must be Y”. Was never a “free” thing per se, it was “their WLT must be Y”. You now have to pay for said WLT if using the Nephilim book. New book changes the mission rules.

with nephilim you have to pay for the WLT, I think the questions is whether or not the fixed WLT of unique chars is mandatory or optional. If I take He'stan as my Warlord, I assume I won't be forced to pay for his WLT if I choose not to buy it at all. So the choice is either you don't get your WL a WLT, or you buy the mandatory WLT for that unique char - just like with any other warlord.

What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

The nephilim GT says players can only give models in their army warlord traits with a requisition stratagem. Does this override his host of plague rule ?

Host of Plagues: At the start of the first battle round, select one of the following Plague Companies’ Warlord Traits: Shamblerot, Ferric Blight; Gloaming Bloat; Eater Plague; Sanguous Flux; The Droning; Nurgle’s Fruit. You cannot select a Warlord Trait that another model in your army already has. Until the end of the battle, this model gains the selected Warlord Trait in addition to any others it has, even if it is not your WARLORD.

 p5freak wrote:
What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

You pay 1CP and get all three. Same as Trajann and any other character who gets multiple traits.

 p5freak wrote:
What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

1 CP, all WLT, as far as I know.

artific3r wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

You pay 1CP and get all three. Same as Trajann and any other character who gets multiple traits.

nekooni wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

1 CP, all WLT, as far as I know.

Why ? Citation ? The warlord trait stratagem says warlord trait, which is singular.

 p5freak wrote:

Why ? Citation ? The warlord trait stratagem says warlord trait, which is singular.

The multiple warlord trait rule for Mortarion is also singular. They use this wording in every single book with multiple trait characters.

Page 49, Death Guard Codex

Named Characters and Warlord Traits
If any one of the following characters gains a Warlord Trait, they must have the one shown below:
Typhus -- Shamblerot
Mortarion -- Living Plague, Revoltingly Resilient, Arch-Contaminator

Just to throw some extra nonsense into the discussion.

The two stratagems in nephilim, one for warlord trait, and one for a relic are just options. There is no requirement to use them, they are just things both players have access to.

RAW, " Players can only give models in their army relics or warlord traits of they have used a requisition stratagem to acquire them" p.4 of nephilim CA book.

blaktoof wrote:
Just to throw some extra nonsense into the discussion.

The two stratagems in nephilim, one for warlord trait, and one for a relic are just options. There is no requirement to use them, they are just things both players have access to.

RAW, " Players can only give models in their army relics or warlord traits of they have used a requisition stratagem to acquire them" p.4 of nephilim CA book.

I disagree on that being nonsense. If they were not, you would have to use them and you would have to spend 2cp every Match, making the entire change completely pointless (could have left it as is and reduce starting CP by 2 instead, then)

What is nonsense is the whole "your warlord does not have a warlord trait unless you pay extra for it", which is why in our local group we're houseruling this back to the core rules when playing nephilim.
We all agreed that its more fun that way.

No idea why gw thinks this improves the game, though.

Because stratagems are overused over powered over complex nonsense that needs removing

Harshly limiting cp and especially starting cp reduces the nonsense

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Because stratagems are overused over powered over complex nonsense that needs removing

Harshly limiting cp and especially starting cp reduces the nonsense

Over the course of the game you get more CP than before.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Because stratagems are overused over powered over complex nonsense that needs removing

Harshly limiting cp and especially starting cp reduces the nonsense

Lower the available CP even further then. My point was that having to pay for your wlt is not fun. I literally even suggested that they could have just removed 2 more CP and left the wlt and relic as is.

If gw though stratagems were bad for the game, they wouldnt give us more CP than ever and slap new strats on top.

Huh? You get fewer now. No matter what

12 plus 5 pre nephilim
6 plus 10 during nephilim.

Assuming you're still taking one relic and one wlt, you're down to 14 a game compared to previous

It's also the rate you get the, - reducing the upfront amount means spending 8 cp in a turn just isn't likely anymore.

True, its a little bit less CP than before.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Huh? You get fewer now. No matter what

12 plus 5 pre nephilim
6 plus 10 during nephilim.

Assuming you're still taking one relic and one wlt, you're down to 14 a game compared to previous

It's also the rate you get the, - reducing the upfront amount means spending 8 cp in a turn just isn't likely anymore.

Youre right, my bad. Doesnt change the remainder of my argument, though.

They can't not give remaining codex their due of strats. They're locked into a design decision for the remainder of 9th

From chatting with the studio they are aware of the overall poor reception of the impact of strats on the game, ie that you often have a high cp spend ina. Single turn and they facilitate alpha striking, and that nephilim is the patch.

 p5freak wrote:
What happens with mortarion ? He has three warlord traits. But you can only use the warlord trait stratagem once per battle. Does that mean he only gains one warlord trait ?

From the War Zone Nephilim: Grand Tournament Mission Pack FAQ v1.0:

Q: If a named character has several listed Warlord Traits (e.g. Mortarion, Magnus the Red), how many Command points are required in order to give that model their Warlord Traits – is it 1CP for all of them, or 1CP per Warlord Trait?

A: 1CP (a single use of the Warlord Trait Stratagem) will give a named character all of their listed Warlord Traits

nekooni wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Because stratagems are overused over powered over complex nonsense that needs removing

Harshly limiting cp and especially starting cp reduces the nonsense

Lower the available CP even further then. My point was that having to pay for your wlt is not fun. I literally even suggested that they could have just removed 2 more CP and left the wlt and relic as is.

If gw though stratagems were bad for the game, they wouldnt give us more CP than ever and slap new strats on top.

Tthat wouldn't result in same as now.

All getting free trait it is fair only if all traits are equal which they aren't.


Now those with poor traits/artefacts can instead get cp over junk for "free"