Warhammer 40k rumors for a 10th edition in 2023.

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**Ravajaxe**

Hello.
Games Workshop apparently has settled for a three years schedule for W40k editions, 9th have been released in 2020, so no surprise to see rumors for a 2023 revision.
This is spotted from reddit. Please take them with the right amount of grains of salt, as there is a near correlation of these rumors and whishlists from Bolter&Chainsword forum.

**Dudeface**

Macrofex and hypergaunt sounds utterly dumb so I'm going with likely true on that basis alone. Bit coincidental they land the same day as a "what factions for 10th" appears in general.

**Agamemnon2**

The ten thousand dollar question is whether GW finally has the chutzpah to axe the Firstborn from the codex, or are they content to let the Marine book swell like a gangrenous pustule.

**Kanluwen**

Someone on B&C pointed out it's basically a copy/paste of an old wishlist thread.

**The Phazer**

Not a huge surprise for the most part if true. We've heard a few rumours before that the 10th Box would be Nids (getting a Necron style release) versus Marines.

Otherwise some parts are already known, such as Jump Marines. Embiggened Terminators would be unsurprising.

It'll be curious to see what they do with the Sanguinor as a Primarch equivalent. Will he just be marine sized with big wings and a load of base stuff, probably ending up looking like the AOS Celestant Prime, or would he be embiggened a bit? Or a lot?

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
The ten thousand dollar question is whether GW finally has the chutzpah to axe the Firstborn from the codex, or are they content to let the Marine book swell like a gangrenous pustule.

I imagine they're one edition off replacing Devastators, at which point the range will be *roughly* equivalent and we might see "from now on just consider all firstborn to be their Primaris equivalent" in 99% of cases.

**Ravajaxe**

Agamemnon2 wrote:The ten thousand dollar question is whether GW finally has the chutzpah to axe the Firstborn from the codex, or are they content to let the Marine book swell like a gangrenous pustule.

They could easily move all firstborn marines units into a separate supplement, like these for the chapter specificities, so that old players can still use their units, and newcomers would not have to bother with them.

Kanluwen wrote:Someone on B&C pointed out it's basically a copy/paste of an old wishlist thread.

Well if this appears to be true, I'm sorry. I will happily amend this topic as soon as I have plausible information.

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Would not surprise me if the release of the Horus Heresy will be the means by which GW pushes the old Marines off onto that game and keeps Primaris as standard for 40K.

**Kanluwen**

Ravajaxe wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Someone on B&C pointed out it's basically a copy/paste of an old wishlist thread.

Well if this appears to be true, I'm sorry. I will happily amend this topic as soon as I have plausible information.

I put the link in there. It's from April.
This is the relevant bit from the thread:

Blood angels specific jump pack primaris captain.

Blood angels specific jump pack primaris lieutenant

Blood angels primaris assault marines with jump packs x 10

Blood angels primaris terminator equivalent x3

(These units would make up the hq/elite/recruit edition contents)

Primaris Sanguinary priest

Primaris gravis librarian

Jump pack primaris chaplain

2 more 3-man specialised units.

(This would be equivalent to the indomitus sprue)

Then the wave release lands with the space marine codex / blood angels supplement released at the same time:

Blood angels named character updates for primaris (Dante, astorath, corbulo, lemartes)

Blood angels specific units of primaris death company and sanguinary guard, maybe a redemptor variant

Generic marine versions of the starter units in multipart / pose format plus some further expansion into unfilled roles such as scouts etc.

Note that I'm not saying it isn't possibly true or yadda yadda yadda. Just that it's immediately suspect coming from a burner account when so much of the BA side lines up with the wishlisting.

Plus they're not really doing "faction locked" stuff as much these days for starter sets.

**Dudeface**

To add a teeny volume of weight, valrak has chimed in to say "some of it would make sense given what he's heard about space hulk and new stealers"

**Danny76**

I’m hearing; to give it less weight, Valrak has said something

**Dudeface**

Danny76 wrote:
I’m hearing; to give it less weight, Valrak has said something

Sums it up, the man says many things.

**Leggy**

I'd say it's not impossible, but unlikely.
It's not Xenos turn to be the big box villain, as we just had Necrons in Indomitus. If they'd said worldeaters or Lost and The Damned/Chaos traitors I'd definitely bite.

Plus we already have a plastic Old One Eye. Why make another, bigger one that doesn't fit the background?

Plus Plus why is Sanguinor a Primarch now?

**TalonZahn**

He's not, but it's how you give the BA a large centerpiece model that's Primarch-esque. Can't bring back Sangy, give BA Sangy-lite.

Blood Angels would also make sense to use introducing Jump Pack style Primaris, as they are seen as the Jump Pack Chapter. (Even though they don't field any more than other Chapters, calm down.)

It's what GW likes to do.

If any of this is true, and I don't believe an ounce of it, I doubt any of it will be "Faction Locked" casts.

They will be generic SM and have a new BA upgrade sprue or something.

I say all this as a Blood Angel person from day 1 over 30 years ago.

I highly doubt all these rumors, but wouldn't be surprised if what I picked out above is what happens.

**Kanluwen**

The part that makes it so wildly unbelievable, to me at least, is that they've pushed so much harder of late to showcase Raven Guard as "the jump pack guys". To the point of redoing Shrike but failing to capitalize on a bodyguard unit for him, unlike Lamegar.

If you wanted to bring out BA? They'd do them as an army pack in all likelihood.

**lord_blackfang**

The only thing that gives this rumour credibility is that it sounds so stupid only GW could come up with it.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

Please don't be real... If loyalist chapters begin to have their own dex I'll have my EC dex in late 2030

**Kanluwen**

They already have their own dexes, guy.

They just also pull from the main book.

**Mr. Burning**

10th ed Blood Angels will be the World Eaters we wanted all along. GW will ensure the Red Thirst Flavour Loyalists trump Khornes mob.

**Manfred von Drakken**

Mr. Burning wrote:
10th ed Blood Angels will be the World Eaters we wanted all along. GW will ensure the Red Thirst Flavour Loyalists trump Khornes mob.

Don't they already?

**Shadow Walker**

Maybe that "Macrofex" is simply a new resized Carnifex model?

**Platuan4th**

Leggy wrote:

It's not Xenos turn to be the big box villain

That's not and has never been a thing. Quite the opposite, we actually got 4 editions in a row of Xenos vs Marines in the Starter: Orks in 2nd, Dark Eldar in 3rd, Tyranids in 4th, Orks again in 5th. 6th and 7th both used the same vs Chaos Starter, with Chaos also getting 8th.

**H.B.M.C.**

Macrofex and Hypergaunt? Sounds dumb enough to be true...

And Tyranids just got a fething Codex...

**tneva82**

Codexes within year or so isn't unheard for gw. Sob got 2 books in about 1.5 years despite 2nd being delayed and aos side dok got about year later.

These days having just got book ain't protection from yet another.

**TalonZahn**

Dear Lord,

Please let this thread die.

Thanks.

**H.B.M.C.**

TalonZahn wrote:
Dear Lord,

Please let this thread die.

Thanks.

If people want to discuss these rumours in the News & Rumours sub-forum, is there a reason they shouldn't, exactly?

**Matrindur**

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vrizn6/i_feel_the_need_to_clarify_the_leaks/

Another one but its not the same account so could be just someone else taking advantage of the situation

This is a burner acc.

The next codex is Votann.

Then Kill Team - set on a space hulk, it’s new kasrkin vs Genestealers (old kit with upgrade sprew)

Then guard codex.

Then world eaters with Angron.

After that we are getting space marine 2.0 with chapter supplements (no new chapter specific models) in 2023. This launch will be with Primaris “terminators” (gravis marines with classic load outs and a take on the classic helmets), missile Primaris devastator (not their name) squad, and melee oriented dreadnought.

The launch of 10th will be nids with a range refresh like the necrons saw. Opposite them in the launch box will be generic space marines with jump pack assault troops and a jump captain (there is likely more units in the box)

The confusion is that the generic marines are painted as blood angels as they’re going to poster boy the launch, along with Dark Angels and both will see large Primaris centric updates (including a lion model). It’s going to be a launch focussed in imperium nihilus with “angels of death” codex nostalgia

**Dudeface**

I was OK reading that until the lion name drop. I'm not against another loyalist primarch, I just don't think the lion will be easy to write in and I'm not sure I trust them to do a decent job with such a complex situation.

**xttz**

Matrindur wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vrizn6/i_feel_the_need_to_clarify_the_leaks/

Another one but its not the same account so could be just someone else taking advantage of the situation

Then Kill Team - set on a space hulk, it’s new kasrkin vs Genestealers (old kit with upgrade sprew)

That's handy. If we find out this Sunday that the other kill team isn't Genestealers then we know this rumour is trash.

**Jidmah**

Dudeface wrote:
I was OK reading that until the lion name drop. I'm not against another loyalist primarch, I just don't think the lion will be easy to write in and I'm not sure I trust them to do a decent job with such a complex situation.

None of the loyalist Primarchs are easy to design IMO.
For most of the chaos ones, you just crank whatever their strength is to 11, give them greater daemon stat lines and be done with it. Magus is a uber psyker, Mortarion excells at durablilty and debuffing, Angron will have a metric ton of high qualtiy attacks and will have some sort of mayhem aura, Petuarbo will be a walking baneblade.

Lion, Dorn or Vulkan are a lot more difficult. 40k doesn't work well for portraying tacticians and leaders on the battlefield, and having a big space marine footslog it across the board to hit stuff with his sword not only doesn't give off the same feel as lugging a Daemon Primarch into the enemy ranks, it also doesn't mesh well with space marines as an army.

On top of that, Gulliman already did the "all the synergies" approach and broke the game in half. And I also somehow got the feeling that DA or IF players expect something slightly different than a recolored Roboute.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The wierdest thing about it is suggesting that there's an upgrade sprue for this

They're already on a very poorly packed pair of sprues, so far more cost effective to make a new modern sprue with everything on which is cheaper and faster to produce if your going to make a new one, and what would you put on the upgrade sprue,

unless they're making major changes to genestealer lore (or bringing in Ymgarl genestealers en-mass so they need a bunch more heads) there's very little you can add, a few different arm poses?, heads with mouths open slightly different amounts ? it's just not credible