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On some of Valraks Streams, he mentioned some rumours about Epic (set in the HH) will come back and is at the playtesting phase.

Valrak's last rumor talks seems to be acurate..

Does someone heared more rumours about Epic?

I would like to use this thread for further related stuff, so we will not use the AT Thread for Epic topics.

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Nothing as of yet, but it’s been wildly speculated since Adeptus Titanicus returned, and more so since Aeronautica used the same scale, and AT models started coming with AA defence weapons.

   
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That would also line up with the fact that AT and AI have been kind of abandoned. They wouldn't be releasing new expansions for those games if they're being rolled into epic.
   
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One rumour I read (no idea if it originated from Valrak) is that infantry and tanks will make an appearance in the 30K setting first (in 6mm, or 8mm if you want to call it that). Then if it takes off maybe it will be expanded further to include the 40K factions.

While I'd love to see a full blown return of Epic I get the feeling it's going to be a long road before we get to the stage where we can recreate our 40K armies in Epic scale. GW has done a lot in recent years expanding their Specialist Games, though full support for Epic is going to take up a lot of resources. I'm not sure GW would jump head first into that.
   
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The amount of 3D Printed Epic armies is insane.

People are clearly dying to play Epic.



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Plastic Wraithknight, stormsurge and greater demons would be fantastic. Now imagine an army with 20 of these, that'd be epic

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Save your downloads of netepic stuff now

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 privateer4hire wrote:
Save your downloads of netepic stuff now


Very sound advice, especially as GW's official returns to that eras properties haven't held a candle to the originals. I'm embarrassed at the things they put the Warhammer Quest brand on compared to what we got in 1995.

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 TalonZahn wrote:
The amount of 3D Printed Epic armies is insane.

People are clearly dying to play Epic.


We already are, and many would rather GW put their hand in their own pockets and left it well alone.
   
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I don't doubt Epic will pop out when GW has enough time in the schedule to push a huge release like that.
   
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
Save your downloads of netepic stuff now


Very sound advice, especially as GW's official returns to that eras properties haven't held a candle to the originals. I'm embarrassed at the things they put the Warhammer Quest brand on compared to what we got in 1995.


They also effectively split blood bowl community into those who want to use lrb and those who want current GW with passing stat added and other rules changes.

And Necromunda is a soup sandwich in a paper bag carried on a 20 mile hike.

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El Torro wrote:
One rumour I read (no idea if it originated from Valrak) is that infantry and tanks will make an appearance in the 30K setting first (in 6mm, or 8mm if you want to call it that). Then if it takes off maybe it will be expanded further to include the 40K factions.


Someone asked Valrak on that stream about more infos and he only could say that he know nothing expect that the game is already in the playtesting phase and that it will come in the unknown future.

There was also a rumor on Faeit some time ago.

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 privateer4hire wrote:
Save your downloads of netepic stuff now


Glad I still have my Epic 40,000 books.

GW can do what they want with Epic rules wise, if the models are nice I'll just use them in the classic Epic 40,000

GW's recent forays into their classic games have been abysmal, and a very transparent cash grab... the sheer number of books Necromunda has inow compared to the original is insane.

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In a lot of the advertising material for 30k, including box art and other things, we see a lot of Titan stuff in the background, including the Warmaster titan, which has no full-scale 30k model, but was released for Titanicus.

Either a 2.0 for Titanicus or Epic is likely to be coming.
   
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Toofast wrote:
That would also line up with the fact that AT and AI have been kind of abandoned. They wouldn't be releasing new expansions for those games if they're being rolled into epic.


While AI sales have been soft, saying that AT has been abandoned is a stretch. It frequently has stretches of quiet between releases, and even then, the Dire Wolf is a pretty recent release.
   
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If they do Epic, it would be cool if they took the opportunity to do some ret-retconning of titan heights in the lore.

I read epic stories of Titans, god machines that shake mountains, with great city like cathedrals on their backs and entire armies in their legs and guns longer than oil tankers, vast machines that conquer planets and strike utter horror into Xenos. The art too is incredible, showing striding behemoths that dwarf all, and imperator titans that dwarf other titans.

Annnndd then I look up how tall they are and the statue of liberty is taller than the tallest titan. OOF.

I don't mind the smaller titan heights, its just the largest titans are a bit of a let down. They lack a bit of that God Machine hype that I would expect from a setting like 40k. There used to be some descriptions of some truly massive titans in oldhammer lore, but it seems to be have been retconned or forgotten about as imperator titans are nowhere near as big these days.

It would be nice if they could bring some of that EPIC scale back for the big titans in lore if not on tabletop.






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 stonehorse wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
Save your downloads of netepic stuff now


Glad I still have my Epic 40,000 books.

GW can do what they want with Epic rules wise, if the models are nice I'll just use them in the classic Epic 40,000

GW's recent forays into their classic games have been abysmal, and a very transparent cash grab... the sheer number of books Necromunda has inow compared to the original is insane.


I mean, I'm already an outlier, as my Epic poison of choice is E:40k, so finding people to play with is already an issue ^^

And yeah, the Necromunda situation is completely nuts, and have killed off all my interest on it.
   
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 privateer4hire wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
Save your downloads of netepic stuff now


Very sound advice, especially as GW's official returns to that eras properties haven't held a candle to the originals. I'm embarrassed at the things they put the Warhammer Quest brand on compared to what we got in 1995.


They also effectively split blood bowl community into those who want to use lrb and those who want current GW with passing stat added and other rules changes.

And Necromunda is a soup sandwich in a paper bag carried on a 20 mile hike.


Anecdotal but I don't think I've seen any usage of the LRB for a good while; any NAF tournament seems to run with the core 2020 edition rules. What I have seen happening is tournament and team building rules deviate (which has always been a thing) and a tendency now to outright ban Star Players. The LRB hasn't really been current since 2016, it just happened that the 2016 edition from the GW relaunch wasn't that different.

Necromunda is certainly spread over a wide area; it's inconvenient trying to find stuff at times though I actually like the sheer volume of content and the quasi-RPG setup it has going on these days.
   
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For the posters commenting above "I would love to try Epic" - you can, and its super cheap and easy to get into these days with the amount of 3D print minis and proxies available (with some fairly large online communities on FB also)
This guide, which was written using help from Epic players from all over, will hopefully help: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page

 Albertorius wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
The amount of 3D Printed Epic armies is insane.

People are clearly dying to play Epic.


We already are, and many would rather GW put their hand in their own pockets and left it well alone.


Thanks for writing this, I kind of feel the same way. Although it would be nice to have more players enter the community, which would happen as a result of the release (even if it is a very limited one - which I suspect might be the case)

I'm planning an expo/participation game with all of my stuff at Firestorm Games in October, so no doubt that will be the weekend that GW launches the game

I would also say I can't see GW going after NetEpic, EpicEA groups etc. They didn't bother doing that when they launched new versions of Necromunda and Blood Bowl, where fan-edit versions of the rules were available online, so not sure why they would do so now for Epic?

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derpherp wrote:
If they do Epic, it would be cool if they took the opportunity to do some ret-retconning of titan heights in the lore.

I read epic stories of Titans, god machines that shake mountains, with great city like cathedrals on their backs and entire armies in their legs and guns longer than oil tankers, vast machines that conquer planets and strike utter horror into Xenos. The art too is incredible, showing striding behemoths that dwarf all, and imperator titans that dwarf other titans.

Annnndd then I look up how tall they are and the statue of liberty is taller than the tallest titan. OOF.

I don't mind the smaller titan heights, its just the largest titans are a bit of a let down. They lack a bit of that God Machine hype that I would expect from a setting like 40k. There used to be some descriptions of some truly massive titans in oldhammer lore, but it seems to be have been retconned or forgotten about as imperator titans are nowhere near as big these days.

It would be nice if they could bring some of that EPIC scale back for the big titans in lore if not on tabletop.



I agree and disagree. That kind of lore and scale is pure awesome; but on the tabletop it means that you'd basically be playing with either titans only and little squares with pictures on them for infantry and tanks; or you'd be playing with infantry and tanks and the feet of a titan as a terrain feature. Basically when the disparity in scale between two models is too great you can only have one or the other.

It's the same as how in games like Battlefleet Gothic fighters are often very limited in variety and represented by tokens half the time. Because they are so so small compared to the mega ships. Instead of 20 different sorts of fighter you've usually 2 or 3 in such a game and that's it. Because no one really wants vast legions of tokens or ships so small that differences are almost impossible to see at 1ft away when actually playing.


I think the current scale of AT is good because it allows you titans, infantry and tanks and aircraft all at once and all with a good level of detailing


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 Pacific wrote:
For the posters commenting above "I would love to try Epic" - you can, and its super cheap and easy to get into these days with the amount of 3D print minis and proxies available (with some fairly large online communities on FB also)
This guide, which was written using help from Epic players from all over, will hopefully help: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page

 Albertorius wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
The amount of 3D Printed Epic armies is insane.

People are clearly dying to play Epic.


We already are, and many would rather GW put their hand in their own pockets and left it well alone.


Thanks for writing this, I kind of feel the same way. Although it would be nice to have more players enter the community, which would happen as a result of the release (even if it is a very limited one - which I suspect might be the case)

I'm planning an expo/participation game with all of my stuff at Firestorm Games in October, so no doubt that will be the weekend that GW launches the game

I would also say I can't see GW going after NetEpic, EpicEA groups etc. They didn't bother doing that when they launched new versions of Necromunda and Blood Bowl, where fan-edit versions of the rules were available online, so not sure why they would do so now for Epic?


So far GW is pretty tame iwth 3D printing. They only go after stuff they can 100% protect like specific iconography designs and such. Anything else is left up. There are loads of 40K and Fantasy scale models that are very good as counts as and proxies and alternative models that are different enough that GW isn't going after them. The only ones they do are those who are copy-catting GW and in all honestly that's a good thing because we shouldn't be encouraging 3D printing to become a hotbed of copyright rip-offs/theft (because today its GW, tomorrow its PP, Infinity and your favourite 3D print designer)

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Is this an actual rumours thread or just wishlisting?

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 Malika2 wrote:
Is this an actual rumours thread or just wishlisting?


99.9% of rumours threads evolve into wishlisting very quickly unless there's a very regular supply of fresh rumours with proven sources or photos or such. We don't have detectives ferreting out rumours; we don't have teams of people hunting them down and we don't have the days of the Kirby era marketing where GW was leaking like crazy with rumours

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 Overread wrote:


I agree and disagree. That kind of lore and scale is pure awesome; but on the tabletop it means that you'd basically be playing with either titans only and little squares with pictures on them for infantry and tanks; or you'd be playing with infantry and tanks and the feet of a titan as a terrain feature. Basically when the disparity in scale between two models is too great you can only have one or the other.

It's the same as how in games like Battlefleet Gothic fighters are often very limited in variety and represented by tokens half the time. Because they are so so small compared to the mega ships. Instead of 20 different sorts of fighter you've usually 2 or 3 in such a game and that's it. Because no one really wants vast legions of tokens or ships so small that differences are almost impossible to see at 1ft away when actually playing.


I think the current scale of AT is good because it allows you titans, infantry and tanks and aircraft all at once and all with a good level of detailing


I don't think their lore scale should be directly reflected on the tabletop, I would separate them so that there is the more reasonable scale for table top, and then the God Machine scale that is used in Lore and video games and movies. Warhammer table top scale isn't true scale anyway and many things on the table top are a bit bigger and smaller than they should technically be.

Like, if a Warhammer Cinematic Universe ever happens, I'd like to see the Imperator titan to at least be a few times bigger than the statue of liberty which is pretty tame in size for our world. We have buildings that are 8 times taller than the statue of liberty right now.

Seeing an imperator titan from 40,000 years in the future looking like a little baby toddler running around the base of the Burj Khalifa skyscraper is just... a bit gak.

Give me Old Hammer for the Big Screen where the cathedrals on their backs are described as cities and they wield one kilometer long guns. (well maybe not that crazy, but still)

Epic seems like a convenient opportunity to do some lore retconning on this subject.





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It would also either make them silly soft or totally dominate game to the level other than titans shouldn't be bothered to be fielded because one titan and game over. Unless it's then like 40k where you auto lose with titan because while nothing can kill it and it kill anything at will you auto lose on scenario which isn't good for game either.

There's limit size of individual unit can be taken in game system. In 40k titan will break game period and be impossible to balance. Anything with kilometer long guns would be impossible to balance in epic.

As it is warmaster titan like imperator would break AT game system much like titan breaks 40k...

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It is inevitable that they'll get back into Epic at some point. It's been pointed out above it is still very popular and regular tournaments are still held. They'd be fools not to tap into that. To what level, who knows. If they do Heresy, a bunch of infantry and tanks in plastic will shift.

Personally, I can't wait for them to! To me, the Epic games are some of the best rules GW has put out and the 40k setting fits Epic scale so well

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Yeah, Epic always felt like the right scale for 40k, and I say that as someone who likes the default 40k aesthetic.

Funnily enough, Warmaster never felt right for WFB, despite technically also being a better representation of the scale and form of engagements WFB was trying to represent.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
It would also either make them silly soft or totally dominate game to the level other than titans shouldn't be bothered to be fielded because one titan and game over. Unless it's then like 40k where you auto lose with titan because while nothing can kill it and it kill anything at will you auto lose on scenario which isn't good for game either.

There's limit size of individual unit can be taken in game system. In 40k titan will break game period and be impossible to balance. Anything with kilometer long guns would be impossible to balance in epic.

As it is warmaster titan like imperator would break AT game system much like titan breaks 40k...


You know there was a time when GW via FW made rules for titans that did not break the game. back in 3rd ed while being harder to kill titans were a huge points sink for very little output. there were no destroyer/D/macro etc.. rules titan weaposn were just slightly better 40K scale weapons.

Take for instance the warhound clocking in at over 800 points in 3rd edition points costs. the most iconic loadout was a vulcan mega bolter that was a glorified assault cannon (with 10 shots instead of 4 and a 36" range) and a twin turbo laser destructor which was nothing more than a lascanon that used the small blast template and had slightly longer range.

They were centerpiece models that were there for the rule of cool.

In epic/AT scale titans work just fine. in fact, having loads of super heavies in epic scale games doesn't slow things down a bit as the rules are simplified to take them into account and the fact that you have the ability to run so many it doesn't diminish an army when you lose one or even a few in the battle.


From 3rd onward we were always told that these battles only represented a small section of the skirmish line, as such i like to think of epic as the rest of the battle line




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I agree that epic always felt like an ideal scale for representing 40k, which might seem weird, but seeing those waves of infantry and tanks... It's just great.

I can't wait, to be perfectly honest. Seeing GW pumping out plastic Epic-scale miniatures again will bring a huge grin to my face. People can bang on about the existing versions of Epic being kept alive online, and I've played them, but my experience with the recent Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica miniatures has convinced me that I just want GW to jump back in feet-first.

Those 3D printed armies are absolutely wonderful, but they'll only ever be stopgaps. I want the experience of clipping out Space Marine #87 from a sprue again, pushing him into his epic base and breaking him apart at the ankles.

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