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Well you aren't wrong about the sort of evil bit considering that marketing material is scuffed.
These ink wash type things never apply in the exact same way across a colour range, the chemical composition causes different opacity, light, viscosity, and runniness.
But they've just done a wash in one colour here and then recoloured it in photoshop lol. Theres no way the result would look uniformly the same like that.
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I thought GSW had a not contrast called intensity inks. I actually picked them up a month ago but haven't had a chance to work on them but the reviews of them are really good. Maybe this is an expanded line but under a different name because GSW has a bunch of different ink types.
derpherp wrote: Well you aren't wrong about the sort of evil bit considering that marketing material is scuffed.
These ink wash type things never apply in the exact same way across a colour range, the chemical composition causes different opacity, light, viscosity, and runniness.
But they've just done a wash in one colour here and then recoloured it in photoshop lol. Theres no way the result would look uniformly the same like that.
What makes them evil? But yeah a bit burnt out on contrast. Wake me when someone really figures out an acrylic pinwash medium that just thinly evenly tints crevasse without the effort of pin wash and cleanup of oils.
Not surprised to see more people jump in on this bandwagon as honestly they do speed up my painting more then washes ever did.
I still need to pick of a few Army Painter speed paints (or whatever they're called) but a few colors here are nice and I might get some but GSW really doesn't have much of an international presence so getting them is more pricy.
axotl wrote: What makes them evil? But yeah a bit burnt out on contrast. Wake me when someone really figures out an acrylic pinwash medium that just thinly evenly tints crevasse without the effort of pin wash and cleanup of oils.
Some shady patent stuff, stealing people's designs and registering patents to dare a lawsuit from a smaller garage business what I remember. Think it was for greenstuff rollers or something along those lines.
Also some trademark abuse for things like Colourshift and then going all in on youtube DMCA takedowns on reviews using the term 'colourshift' when review other companies' colour shifting paints.
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axotl wrote: What makes them evil? But yeah a bit burnt out on contrast. Wake me when someone really figures out an acrylic pinwash medium that just thinly evenly tints crevasse without the effort of pin wash and cleanup of oils.
Some shady patent stuff, stealing people's designs and registering patents to dare a lawsuit from a smaller garage business what I remember. Think it was for greenstuff rollers or something along those lines.
Also some trademark abuse for things like Colourshift and then going all in on youtube DMCA takedowns on reviews using the term 'colourshift' when review other companies' colour shifting paints.
I have not checked if it is still on sale but one of the rollers had the nazi black sun icon on it.
derpherp wrote: Well you aren't wrong about the sort of evil bit considering that marketing material is scuffed.
These ink wash type things never apply in the exact same way across a colour range, the chemical composition causes different opacity, light, viscosity, and runniness.
But they've just done a wash in one colour here and then recoloured it in photoshop lol. Theres no way the result would look uniformly the same like that.
Yeah... In addition to derpherp's comment, there is no way you could get all of those models aligned EXACTLY the same way for photos. Every single image is identical except for the color. The colors are considerably darker in the image than they are in the videos. The magenta is more of a very hot pink. Papyrus looks more like the Misted Yellow.
Definitey a "buy one bottle and test it before buying a bunch of them" situation.
axotl wrote: What makes them evil? But yeah a bit burnt out on contrast. Wake me when someone really figures out an acrylic pinwash medium that just thinly evenly tints crevasse without the effort of pin wash and cleanup of oils.
Copy other people's product, trademark term, start lawsuiting making business of smaller company that had originally came up with product iidea. Modus operandi of gsw.
derpherp wrote: Well you aren't wrong about the sort of evil bit considering that marketing material is scuffed.
These ink wash type things never apply in the exact same way across a colour range, the chemical composition causes different opacity, light, viscosity, and runniness.
But they've just done a wash in one colour here and then recoloured it in photoshop lol. Theres no way the result would look uniformly the same like that.
Yeah... In addition to derpherp's comment, there is no way you could get all of those models aligned EXACTLY the same way for photos. Every single image is identical except for the color. The colors are considerably darker in the image than they are in the videos. The magenta is more of a very hot pink. Papyrus looks more like the Misted Yellow.
Definitey a "buy one bottle and test it before buying a bunch of them" situation.
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Honestly I'm kind of skeptical that it's not just a shaded 3D model.
derpherp wrote: Well you aren't wrong about the sort of evil bit considering that marketing material is scuffed.
These ink wash type things never apply in the exact same way across a colour range, the chemical composition causes different opacity, light, viscosity, and runniness.
But they've just done a wash in one colour here and then recoloured it in photoshop lol. Theres no way the result would look uniformly the same like that.
Yeah... In addition to derpherp's comment, there is no way you could get all of those models aligned EXACTLY the same way for photos. Every single image is identical except for the color. The colors are considerably darker in the image than they are in the videos. The magenta is more of a very hot pink. Papyrus looks more like the Misted Yellow.
Definitey a "buy one bottle and test it before buying a bunch of them" situation.
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Honestly I'm kind of skeptical that it's not just a shaded 3D model.
The second image certainly is as you can see the rendered base.
I was excited for a few seconds by the renders right up until I realised they were renders, lol.
After seeing a couple of the videos, meh, the question is just whether it's better than GW's, Army Painter's and Scale 75's offerings and it's hard to tell from those videos. They're painting them on models that are well suited to that type of paint.
Pretty disreputable behavior on the part of GSW, IMO. Somebody bring back the Happy Seppuku rubber texture stamps!
That's awful. Colour shift has been a term since before GSW existed. Not sure I can support a company that does that sort of crap, but will look into it more before saying that as a final decision.
There's physical minis in the videos. I'd say the inks look gorgeous when wet, but the shots of dried minis are weirdly overilluminated so I can't tell. Well, either that or the finish is insanely glossy. Which would be a welcome alternative to Speedpaints' drab matte chalkyness tbh.
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I dont see any interesting colors nor anything that they bring to the table compared to the more easily accesible and more plentiful speedpaints and contrast
hotsauceman1 wrote: I dont see any interesting colors nor anything that they bring to the table compared to the more easily accesible and more plentiful speedpaints and contrast
Well they bring being about a quarter of the price of Contrasts...
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lord_blackfang wrote: There's physical minis in the videos. I'd say the inks look gorgeous when wet, but the shots of dried minis are weirdly overilluminated so I can't tell. Well, either that or the finish is insanely glossy. Which would be a welcome alternative to Speedpaints' drab matte chalkyness tbh.
Yeah, the light source is too harsh in the videos, but even with that the level of color saturation, the color tones and the level of shading is completely different to the rendered sample pics.
The fact that they clearly painted physical minis with all of the colors to make the videos, but then chose to use renders for the promotional pics makes me suspect the actual end result is not amazing.
lord_blackfang wrote: There's physical minis in the videos. I'd say the inks look gorgeous when wet, but the shots of dried minis are weirdly overilluminated so I can't tell. Well, either that or the finish is insanely glossy. Which would be a welcome alternative to Speedpaints' drab matte chalkyness tbh.
Yeah, the light source is too harsh in the videos, but even with that the level of color saturation, the color tones and the level of shading is completely different to the rendered sample pics.
The fact that they clearly painted physical minis with all of the colors to make the videos, but then chose to use renders for the promotional pics makes me suspect the actual end result is not amazing.
Yep.
We'll show it to you wet, we'll show it to you dry but with absurd lighting and overexposure, and we'll show you computer renders.... everything except the part you likely care about.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I dont see any interesting colors nor anything that they bring to the table compared to the more easily accesible and more plentiful speedpaints and contrast
Well they bring being about a quarter of the price of Contrasts...
I mean sure thats cool and all, but when i run out i have to hop online, buy a single bottle with paid shipping or a bunch to get free shipping.
Never underestimate the value of just being available at the shop donw the street.
Plus I have never once in my life been surprised that I've run out of paint? It's not something I think anyone doesn't seem coming from weeks away. Even when I've spilled washes I've had enough to keep going for a while left in the pot.
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I've often run out of paint unexpectedly. Particularly washes, when a project has used more than I expected, or I thought I had extra bottles but didn't.
And 'they don't have it at my local store' has been, over the years, the single most common reason I've seen for people not being willing to try a new paint range.
I just make sure I have $98 of boardgames on hold at Miniature Market so I can get free shipping on $2.45 of paint.
I paint for gaming, so my exposure to new paint ranges have been through sales (and Reaper KS), as well as craft paint, inks, Tamiya, and inks. Haven't tried the Freak Flex yet. The FLGS *did* get me to use colored primers, which are less expensive than hobby paints because they're sold in larger bottles. Colors may overlap, but within a color, I'll have more than one consistency from different manufacturers. So I'll pick the one that's right at the time. Or the one that I have to look for the least in my paint drawers.
As for GSW, guess we'll have to wait for someone to actually use it before concluding anything?
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I dont see any interesting colors nor anything that they bring to the table compared to the more easily accesible and more plentiful speedpaints and contrast
Well they bring being about a quarter of the price of Contrasts...
I mean sure thats cool and all, but when i run out i have to hop online, buy a single bottle with paid shipping or a bunch to get free shipping.
Never underestimate the value of just being available at the shop donw the street.
Well, in my specific case GSW is from Spain, so it tends to be stocked in many stores.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I dont see any interesting colors nor anything that they bring to the table compared to the more easily accesible and more plentiful speedpaints and contrast
Well they bring being about a quarter of the price of Contrasts...
I mean sure thats cool and all, but when i run out i have to hop online, buy a single bottle with paid shipping or a bunch to get free shipping.
Never underestimate the value of just being available at the shop donw the street.
Well, in my specific case GSW is from Spain, so it tends to be stocked in many stores.
We will rely on you to spend the 5€ to find out of they're any good
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insaniak wrote: I've often run out of paint unexpectedly. Particularly washes, when a project has used more than I expected, or I thought I had extra bottles but didn't.
And 'they don't have it at my local store' has been, over the years, the single most common reason I've seen for people not being willing to try a new paint range.
But I bet those same people don't have an issue buying plenty of other things online, including buying most of their miniatures from online discounters, even if shipping is included.
People are just mortified of leaving the Citadel(tm) bubble and will come up with any reason why.
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