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2022/07/24 01:37:10
Subject: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2nd trailer released)
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
AduroT wrote: Disappointed they didn’t recast T’Challa. He’s a pretty huge character to have suffer an early off screen death.
I'll wait and see how they handle it. The assumption of a mantle isn't unheard of for a lot of characters, so at least they're working with a precedent, and unlike the Steve/Sam story, this is a very different situation that needs handling in a different way.
That shot of T'Challa/CB memorialised on the wall the same way that Tony was in Spiderman:FFH was an excellent callback and a punch to the feels.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Not recasting was a bad call. A Black Panther movie without Black Panther in it feels like a long-running show where there is a huge main star, but then the show carries on without them... it just kinda feels bad.
Having said that, what we see in the trailer looks stunning.
It's a Black Panther movie without T'Challa, which isn't precisely the same thing. An off screen transition isn't going to be easy, but it's not like it's something anyone chose.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
But there is a Black Panther? We see them right at the end. And given the first BP Movie very much shows it’s a mantle, I don’t agree for the need to recast T’Challa.
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I mean we can arealy see the story right?
Shuri isnt ready to lead, she feels she cant take after her brother.
But she must to defeat the king of atlantis because only she has the power to.
Carrying the throughline of the last movie that those with power have to duty to stand up for what is right.
Recasting T'Challa would have been a terrible idea and I'm glad they didn't go down that road. The trailer looked great, really looking forward to this one.
Voss wrote: Recasting him like a replaceable extra would've kicked off a gakstorm that would have never stopped, both in terms of character and actor.
No actor is irreplaceable. Finding the successor could have been a big deal, and a lot of opportunities to a lot of people. It could have been something his family was involved in, alongside Coogler.
Prince Namor (1939) predates Aquaman (1941) by two years. Atlantis in Mavel Comics (1949) predates Atlantis in DC Comics (1959) by nearly a decade.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Voss wrote: Recasting him like a replaceable extra would've kicked off a gakstorm that would have never stopped, both in terms of character and actor.
No actor is irreplaceable.
Of course not, actors by definition are replaceable (entire generations have played Hamlet at this point). That wasn't even vaguely the point.
Finding the successor could have been a big deal, and a lot of opportunities to a lot of people. It could have been something his family was involved in, alongside Coogler.
It would be a single opportunity for a single person. And create a lot of ill-will, even assuming the family wanted to cooperate (and the media didn't spin the narrative as the family selling out, even if they did cooperate).
There's a lot going on with this role, and Disney put a lot into hyping it as big screen black superhero main character and treating the whole project (and the audience) seriously for... basically the first time.
Shrugging all that off with a replacement would have a major backlash. One I'm more than happy to not see play out in real time with real consequences.
Voss wrote: There's a lot going on with this role, and Disney put a lot into hyping it as big screen black superhero main character and treating the whole project (and the audience) seriously for... basically the first time.
Black Panther wasn't even the first big screen black MARVEL superhero main character...
First time Disney virtue signalled about the race of their big screen black superhero main character for marketing purposes, maybe.
A scene in the trailer I took note of was cutting the heart shape out of the metal sheet, and it turns out that yes my suspicions were correct and Ironheart is making her first appearance in this film. I’m curious how they introduce her with no Tony overlap.
Perhaps recasting T’Challa would have worked in the UK or Australia, but in the US it would have faced a major backlash. Whatever your personal feelings on the film, the role and actor we’re very important for a segment of the Us populace.
He's in it three times, he's the baby born underwater, the young lad entering the water and the enormous man in green swimming trunks with the trident coming out of it.
Can't give you time stamps, sorry, but he's not easy to miss!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
You also see him standing on the beach while other atlanteans are charging forward, and a shot looking up at his face (I think he is on his throne) and he raises a hand up.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Perhaps recasting T’Challa would have worked in the UK or Australia, but in the US it would have faced a major backlash. Whatever your personal feelings on the film, the role and actor we’re very important for a segment of the Us populace.
And there’s just no need.
Black Panther is a mantle. And to recast T’Challa would be to put someone in the shoes of playing Chadwick Boseman playing T’Challa.
I’m aware Boseman’s family encouraged a recasting but I think Marvel made the right call.
It’s a bit like Dr Who. When Hartnell stepped down, they made a thing of it being a different actor playing kind of the same character, but putting his own spin on it. The same can be applied to Black Panther. Keep the core, but allow the next actor to put their own stamp on it.
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Lord Damocles wrote: Black Panther wasn't even the first big screen black MARVEL superhero main character...
Blade was smaller budget film that was a surprise hit. Black Panther was a major tentpole film with hundreds of millions behind and a worldwide push. The argument isn't that Black Panther was the first black comic character on film but the first to be made for a global mainstream audience.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Lord Damocles wrote: Black Panther wasn't even the first big screen black MARVEL superhero main character...
Blade was smaller budget film that was a surprise hit. Black Panther was a major tentpole film with hundreds of millions behind and a worldwide push. The argument isn't that Black Panther was the first black comic character on film but the first to be made for a global mainstream audience.
It was also by a black director, with black writers, with a predominantly black cast. With literally two Tolkein White Guys.
As mentioned in other threads, I work in a multicultural office. I genuinely cannot explain just how beloved Black Panther is as a black movie. Nor would I try to, as I’d just sound pompous.
Yes Blade came first. But Black Panther was evidently something special to an audience traditionally underserved.
I appreciate I’m lucky to have access to that particular view point, so please don’t think I’m having a go at anyone here. Nobody else has to “get it”. Just need to appreciate it’s an important film to a lot of people, and that it’s really not for anyone else to challenge or, worse I suppose, analyse.
Though I would say always look to the kid’s cosplay. That can be a fun way to gauge a given films impact and/or importance.
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I managed to miss him. What was the timestamp on his appearance?
0.43 - baby born underwater
0.52 - in a big headdress
1.15 - green shorts coming out the water from behind
1.35 - green shorts in a fight scene with other Atlanteans
1.47 - close up of his face
There’s a couple other shots too but very fleeting.
Lord Damocles wrote: I expect that whoever takes the suit will just naturally be superhuman, given that all of the magic flowers were destroyed in the first movie...
To the recasting debate.
Look at when, in universe, they replaced Cap twice.
the fandom went insane, insulting both actors, hating them, saying racist things towards one.
recasting was never going to go down well.
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