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Made in ca
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Houston, Texas

Horus Heresy 1st edition
An'ggrath the Unbound 1000
*An'ggrath the Unbound is a Lord of War choice for a Codex: Chaos Daemons Army
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Flying Gargantuan Creature (Character)
Special Rules: Daemon of Khorne, Fearless, The Deathbringer, Might of the Lord of Battle, Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike, Icon of Battle
Wargear: Warp Forged Plate, Right Hand of Khorne, Left Hand of Khorne, Breath of Hate
-----Right Hand of Khorne: At the beginning of an Assault Phase An'ggrath must choose to use one of these two profiles for this weapon
--Right Hand of Khorne (Two Handed): S: Destroyer, AP:1, Melee, Master Crafted
--Right Hand of Khorne (One Handed):
S:User, AP:2, Melee, +(D3+2) attacks, Master Crafted
------Breath of Hate: Hellstorm Template, S:7, AP:3, Assault 1, Soulblaze
------Left Hand of Khorne: 18", S:7, AP:3, Assault 4, Pinning
------The Deathbringer: An'ggrath gains an additional 3 attacks on the charge instead of the normal 1
-------Might of the Lord of Battle: An'ggrath makes 3 Stomp attacks instead of the normal D3 and makes them using the Large(5")Blast template instead of the normal Small(3")Blast template.
-------Icon of Battle: Friendly units within 18" of An'ggrath count as having assault grenades, and should they possess the Rage or Rampage special rules the number of additional attacks conferred by those rules is increased by 1. In addition friendly units with the "Daemon" special rule may reroll failed leadership tests, although on the second attempt they treat their leadership as being 1 lower.



Notes:
So obviously the appeal is S: Destroyer in a fairly high quantity at a high WS and fairly high initiative, but efforts have been made to balance that.
The flail can be used to force pinning onto a unit An'ggrath himself has no intention of charging to make it safer for another friendly unit to do so.
+D3+2 attacks is nothing to sneeze at and is clearly superior for dealing with anything less than other super heavies.
The big bubble of buffing rage and rampage is semi situational at least in theory as the rules aren't universal to Khorne units like they may be in 40k.
The in theory part comes into play when considering the big guy is only really usable in conjunction with Word Bearers who are likely running Gal Vorbak and maybe Mhara Gal or Layak and his posse.
All saves are included in the profile including the feel no pain conferred by being a Gargantuan Creature.
Edit:
Somehow despite being in the fairly extreme south of the United States I'm Canadian? Kinda cringe.
Either way the easiest way to balance this is also rather fluffy and it's simply to make it so that blessings can't target him and his invulnerable save can't be modified.
Aetaos'Rau'Keres can easily end up with a 2+ invulnerable (his base being a 3+) due to being a beneficiary of Cursed Earth and he'll reroll 1s due to being a Daemon of Tzeentch. Giving him a Sv: Yes lmao. Durability is one thing. Literal invincibility is another.
Trying to make formatting clearer.
Fixed an error that declared "daemon models" instead of "Friendly Daemon units.

This message was edited 10 times. Last update was at 2022/11/23 17:52:53


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Might help to format it in a way so it's not just a huge blob of text.
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




Houston, Texas

Added another ranged option and way to force pinning.
Fixed some mistakes. "Leadership roll" instead of test.
Made names better as goofy as that is.
These ranged options are very deliberately S:7 so that Marine characters don't get insta gibbed.
They're only AP:3 such that against Marines they have a decent chance of causing a couple casualties.

Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." 
   
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Disclaimer: I haven't played HH, and my 7th edition rules knowledge is rusty.

The thing that jumps out at me here is the 1,000 point pricetag. Does HH have a few other models with a similar cost? I was under the impression that super ultra mega chicken's cost was just a cheeky allussion to Tzeentch's favorite number rather than an attempt at balance.

My concern is that a model that's actually worth 1k points seems like it could lead to some very swingy games. Either it's worth those points and the game is basically just a number crunch to see if you can kill it fast enough, or it's not worth those points and the player fielding it ends up at a huge points diadvantage once it dies.

But again, I'm no expert on HH.


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 Wyldhunt wrote:
Disclaimer: I haven't played HH, and my 7th edition rules knowledge is rusty.

The thing that jumps out at me here is the 1,000 point pricetag. Does HH have a few other models with a similar cost? I was under the impression that super ultra mega chicken's cost was just a cheeky allussion to Tzeentch's favorite number rather than an attempt at balance.

My concern is that a model that's actually worth 1k points seems like it could lead to some very swingy games. Either it's worth those points and the game is basically just a number crunch to see if you can kill it fast enough, or it's not worth those points and the player fielding it ends up at a huge points diadvantage once it dies.

But again, I'm no expert on HH.

Yeah, there's some pricey units in HH, especially once you start hitting the LoW and Primarch level. But HH also has the "25% rule". Which means that any LoWs, Primarchs, or combinations of those, can't equal more than 25% of your army's total points. So, An'ggrath wouldn't be able to be taken in any game below 4000 points per side. That helps keep big expensive units from having the problems you described.
   
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Ah. Yeah, if he's only playable at 4k+, then that pretty well addresses my concerns.


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Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




Houston, Texas

This was designed to be stronger for it's points than any knight including the poryphyrion however slightly but weaker by the same metric than a Warhound or Reaver though obviously if he does somehow charge either they die.

Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." 
   
 
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