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During the Aeldari Empire what were the Orks doing exactly? They seem curiously absent.
   
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Weren't Orks created around the end of the empire?

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The Orks are possibly descended in some form from the Krork race created by the Old Ones.
The modern Ork race was a kicking about by the time humanity started colonising the Milky Way but we don't really know all that much of the time before the Imperium.
Considering the technological prowess of the Aeldari Empire, its reasonable to say the Orks weren't a threat at that time to said empire.
   
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The facts we have for the Eldar empire are:

It spread from one side of the galaxy to the other. The outer rims are where the exodites settled and these are described as being on the outer edges of eldar empire. That doesn't mean they controlled billions of planets, but it means they were likely to interact with any species found in any part of the galaxy.

They had a fully autonomous army that fought their wars although it seems more like a defensive force. They had no need to fight or even pay attention to external enemies. This was true for the thousands of years The Eldar took to fall as they concentrated solely on their own internal debauchery with such single minded determination uninterrupted it created a chaos god.

The eldar superheavy tank the void spinner uses mono filament, bacteria and wraithbone parasites to utterly destroy the surface of a planet in order to get it ready for terraforming into a maiden world. Everything is chopped up and broken down into constituent components ready for reassembly .

Wraithbone is solidified warp energy, and along with their psychic engines they effectively had unlimited power and materials, materials that could also just heal back when psych energy was applied.



My conclusion is this:

With an autonomous army of perpetually powered and self repairing/regrowing automata and technology like the void spinner, the eldar empire's armies exterminated any waaagh that entered their space and destroyed their spores, so no later outbreaks would happen. This also prevented the Orks from gaining super size as they never survived to grow.
The Orks would still get big fighting anyone else and themselves, but as soon as they intruded on eldar territory they were simply disintegrated so no knowledge or growth was possible.

The army would fight perpetually, continually healing and even growing new automata, and keep using their bio disintegrators.


Whatever the truth we know that the elder paid no attention to anyone but themselves for a very long time so their automata had to be pretty effective to keep them utterly complacent for so long.

   
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Thanks for the info.
   
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Orks are I suppose something to be corralled and managed, rather than wiped out, if only because wiping them out is really really really effing hard to do.

Not only do they seemingly reproduce via spores (remember, that’s just a Magos Biologis speculating!), but because of their haphazard approach to warp travel, they can turn up anywhere - and the very nature of The Warp can mean anywhen.

This is why Ullanor was such an important stage of The Great Crusade. Such was the gathering of Orks there, it was almost like a Poultice, drawing a galactic infection to one place for the boil to be lanced.

The fall of that Warlord, and most if not all his Next Biggest Bosses shattered the Orky War Machine. Had it not been for the Heresy, it’s entirely possible any Orky presence within The Imperium’s borders would become highly manageable. Basically send a Crusade Fleet or similar round previously Ork held systems which weren’t previously settled every few decades, and kick the snot out of every Ork found moving. Keep on top of it, prevent them gathering critical mass. You might never fully eradicate the species (see earlier comment about anywhere, any when), but one can absolutely cull their numbers before any Waaagh! can manifest.

At least…..in theory. Though I back up said theory with the correct observation Orks never seemed a threat to the pre-fall Eldar, and that they played little to no part during the Heresy, because Ullanor was their last Hoorah for that age.

   
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In one of the novels (Asuryan, maybe?) the Eldar mention their devastating wars with the krork/orks millions of years ago.

It’s possible the Eldar had something to do with the devolution of the krork into the ork, to reduce the threat…maybe?

   
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 Hellebore wrote:

My conclusion is this:

With an autonomous army of perpetually powered and self repairing/regrowing automata and technology like the void spinner, the eldar empire's armies exterminated any waaagh that entered their space and destroyed their spores, so no later outbreaks would happen. This also prevented the Orks from gaining super size as they never survived to grow.
The Orks would still get big fighting anyone else and themselves, but as soon as they intruded on eldar territory they were simply disintegrated so no knowledge or growth was possible.

The army would fight perpetually, continually healing and even growing new automata, and keep using their bio disintegrators.


Whatever the truth we know that the elder paid no attention to anyone but themselves for a very long time so their automata had to be pretty effective to keep them utterly complacent for so long.

That's my theory too. Orks were just a thing that happened to other people. And if you did get a particularly troubling infestation of them somewhere, you just called up the robots to go deal with them. Maybe you'd seek some orks out for a hunting trip if you were bored.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In one of the novels (Asuryan, maybe?) the Eldar mention their devastating wars with the krork/orks millions of years ago.

It’s possible the Eldar had something to do with the devolution of the krork into the ork, to reduce the threat…maybe?


A while back, there was a thread where some of us theorized that eldar reincarnation was an intentional feature to allow eldar souls to continue to grow in power over time. In video game terms, an eldar would be born, "level up" his soul by living life and using his psychic powers, and then he'd eventually take an "xp penalty" when he died. (That is, being in the warp without a body would naturally erode his soul somewhat while the soul found a new body to attach to.) So given enough time, the eldar of old would conceivably have some crazy powerful souls/psychic abilities.

The ork soul, on the other hand, seems to be one big, gestalt soul that (maybe) promotes ork reproduction which in turn gives the gestalt soul even more souls to power it. But as we see in modern 40k, more waaagh energy doesn't necessarily seem to mean more powerful wyrd boyz; they channel more energy briefly, sure, but then they burn out/explode. So basically, you might end up with more ork psykers, but they probably look more or less like modern wyrd boyz.

So maybe eldar super psykers were just really good at culling the ork population when they decided to get around to it. Or maybe the Brain Boyz were still around in some capacity and kept the two factions from going at it.

Side tangent: Do orks reincarnate? Like, do they get reabsorbed into the Waagh and sometimes get spat back out with their mind/soul partially intact? I recall a throwaway line about an ork commenting on standing before Gork and Mork when he dies, but that could be taken a lot of ways. But if orks *do* reincarnate, and if more powerful souls are more likely to be reincarnating, then I could see those ork souls slowly turning into super orks over time. Like, imagine if Ghazkkull died and then came back with some of his old memories thus making him more likely to be successful in his new life thus resulting in him being bigger/stronger thus resulting in an even more powerful reincarnation... and so on. Possibly squeezing more of the Waagh into fewer ork bodies over time, depending on whether newborn orks add to the Waagh or just "borrow" a piece of it.

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Orks are absolutely manageable with effort. Many Imperial worlds have managed ork infestations in the form of feral orks. With more advanced technology, you could totally eradicate them from a planet though it might destroy any biosphere you have. You can keep destroying the ork societies that do crop up from time to time, like pruning the garden.

Of course, you can't let your attention slip since the ork infestation will grow bigger if it isn't managed. Lots of tales of worlds falling because the governor didn't keep up with the ork extermination efforts for a couple years. Or if an outside Waaagh comes in and links up with the locals, then you've got a real problem.

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