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Seeing as the tourney scene has been working under the Nephilim rules now for several months, I felt the impact of the changes made in Nephilim have been properly digested and the meta fully adjusted to it.

One of those changes, the removal of the free WLT and Relic, is the topic of this little poll. I'm curious as to how many people found the change a meaningful one, or merely a exercise in draining more CP from them.

So, given that you now must pay CP, from a much-reduced starting pile, to have a WLT and/or a Relic, has your list-building changed much? Was the free WLT/Relic a luxury you found you didn't really need or miss, or something vital to your army build, that makes it mandatory to pay that CP tax for what you used to get free?


Obviously, no one was going to turn down free stuff when the WLT and relic were costless, so Im curious to see how many people find the benefits of them worth paying for now its not free. I expect the answer might vary with army, and some factions might be much more reliant on a crutch trait or relic to compete or enable certain builds, but i though it might be a interesting area for discussion, at least.

For me, i still take both on my tsons I currently use as my main army, because I really need the mobility i get from the Umbralefic Crystal, so to me the change to paying just reduces my starting CP, rather than forcing meaningful choice.

It is impossible to build a proper libriarian without either and draigo comes with a build in warlord trait.

Karol wrote:
It is impossible to build a proper libriarian without either and draigo comes with a build in warlord trait.

Draigo doesn't get a Warlord Trait unless you pay the CP for it, with Nephilim.

Edit: To answer the question, I don't play Nephilim. Not a tournament player.

What is this Nephilim?


Well whatever it is I couldn't even give a feth since giving is free and my feths cost $€£¥.

I'm bein facetious about not knowing what it is.

We've never played nephilim and don't even own the book but for some reason I can't stop my brother building his rosters with the nephilim cp rules.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Karol wrote:
It is impossible to build a proper libriarian without either and draigo comes with a build in warlord trait.

Draigo doesn't get a Warlord Trait unless you pay the CP for it, with Nephilim.

Edit: To answer the question, I don't play Nephilim. Not a tournament player.

he litteraly comes with demon slayer build in. Now GW may have decided that demon slayer doesn't work on demons in general, but that is a separate problem with how GW updates their books months after they are out. Especialy the less popular ones.

Is it a Warlord Trait, or a rule that mimics a Warlord Trait?

The latter you would get without spending CP.
The former you would not.

Edit: it looks like that’s a Warlord Trait.
You need to spend CP to get it.

Nobody I know uses the rules. It's arguably one of the worst attempts at balance GW tried. Either halve the CP or make the initial WT/Relic cost CP. You don't do both.

All it did was cement the factions that were good as still good, because those are just icing on the cake due to naturally good army rules to begin with.

Karol wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

Karol wrote:
It is impossible to build a proper libriarian without either and draigo comes with a build in warlord trait.

Draigo doesn't get a Warlord Trait unless you pay the CP for it, with Nephilim.

Edit: To answer the question, I don't play Nephilim. Not a tournament player.

he litteraly comes with demon slayer build in. Now GW may have decided that demon slayer doesn't work on demons in general, but that is a separate problem with how GW updates their books months after they are out. Especialy the less popular ones.

Which is still warlord trait. You pay cp same as any other named character pays for their fixed warlord trait.

No cp,no using it in game unless you cheat. Which in your imaginary gaming group likely is case anyway

Yes, I always take both, it is vital to my army build.

I routinely take a Warlord Trait, or a Relic, but rarely both.

There should have been an option to say I routinely take at least two or more traits and/or relics.

I've enjoyed Nephilim from an army building perspective, as the choices have been interesting.

And it has applied some mild pressure to make people take more patrols and battalions, which makes more armies both look like armies and feel like armies when you face off against them.

I almost always take at least one WLT and one Relic in a list, because for most factions there's usually at least one that's head and shoulders above the rest. Sometimes take a second.

Haven't really been following the competitive scene the last few months - but it seems kind of common to start games with 0-1 CP. The theories that people would stick with say 7 to "wombo-combo" out of the gate seem to have proven false. Possibly because some characters are mandatory - and ones without any relics/WLT feel awful.

I like the change. Currently in a GT and having to pay for relics and traits changes the landscape considerably in my opinion.

I'm not a tourney player so I rarely play any of the GT packs, Nephlim or otherwise.. So it rarely matters to me.

In the few instances where I do play with the Nephlim rules? Then it's completely dependent upon what force I'm bringing.
My Grots? I always take both a WLT & Relic.
My Drukhari? I don't really need either.
My Necrons? I can build any combo of Necrons. so sometimes both/sometimes neither/sometimes one or the other.
My Demons? Both.

I really really really enjoy the nephilim CP rules.

I often take between 0 and 3 warlordtrait/relics. It depends a bit on the codex, and what army within the codes. Some units needs a lott of CP to work. Some do not.