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Damn you for making me give Discourse Minis a click.

To be fair she thinks any piece of news or new release signals the imminent demise of GW or a sign they're doing something evil.

Not sure a 5.8% increase in trade prices is going to CRUSH local games stores, but it will almost certainly reduce the discounts online retailers can provide, so get your orders in before the 19th.

   
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To save everyone about 15 minutes of rather pointless ranting, the meat of the issue is:

Effective December 19th, GW raises retailer trade prices by 5,8% for a lot of products, including all plastic boxed sets and paints, w/o changing the RRPs of said products, thus reducing retailers margins.



via https://spikeybits.com/2022/11/breaking-new-games-workshop-price-increases-are-here.html

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Charax wrote:
Damn you for making me give Discourse Minis a click.

To be fair she thinks any piece of news or new release signals the imminent demise of GW or a sign they're doing something evil.

Not sure a 5.8% increase in trade prices is going to CRUSH local games stores, but it will almost certainly reduce the discounts online retailers can provide, so get your orders in before the 19th.



   
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Charax wrote:
Not sure a 5.8% increase in trade prices is going to CRUSH local games stores


Apparently she lives in an alternate world where CCGs aren't the dominant product, with most stores only carrying GW stuff because they hope you'll buy some MTG packs when you come in for 40k? Just guessing though, I'm not going to sit through a "let me talk at the camera for ten times longer than necessary because video gives more ad revenue than a concise article" video to find out.

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 Strg Alt wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BarFCiU5Rs

Gee, it's almost like you knew people wouldn't lend credence to the source by hiding it as a URL dump rather than actually doing any effort at all in making the OP.
   
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She's the bizarro Earth version of those movie critic channels whose entire niche is ranting against female characters.

GW is essentially forcing stores to reduce their discounts, from 20% to 15% for example, making them look greedy to the unwary as they "raise prices" when GW didn't, and overall less appealing compared to buying direct. It's an ultra gakky move.

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GW should be more concerned in actually having stock of their new releases.
Waiting on preorders of some sold out from day1 Votann kits for nearly one month now so yeah.

   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BarFCiU5Rs

Gee, it's almost like you knew people wouldn't lend credence to the source by hiding it as a URL dump rather than actually doing any effort at all in making the OP.


   
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Oh hey, i think i argued the toss with her on FB about this. Hyper aggressive if you don't agree with her. When she was called out by about 6 other people, she deleted all her replies. Twas' funny.
   
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Gue'vesa Emissary wrote:
Charax wrote:
Not sure a 5.8% increase in trade prices is going to CRUSH local games stores


Apparently she lives in an alternate world where CCGs aren't the dominant product, with most stores only carrying GW stuff because they hope you'll buy some MTG packs when you come in for 40k? Just guessing though, I'm not going to sit through a "let me talk at the camera for ten times longer than necessary because video gives more ad revenue than a concise article" video to find out.


MtG packs are crap profit for stores. They make a pittance on selling them. The only real money is for single card sales.

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B&C: statements and videos from the stores affected, thread closed due to getting too whiney.

Dakka: 4 days late to the part with news from some YouTube gremlin and spikey bits.

Great effort here.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
B&C: statements and videos from the stores affected, thread closed due to getting too whiney.

Dakka: 4 days late to the part with news from some YouTube gremlin and spikey bits.

Great effort here.

Yeah, I was wondering why it was taking so long for anyone on Dakka to catch on to this. But B&C locking their thread because it wasn't "positive enough" doesn't look much better on them.
   
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We don’t need to endorse it. We don’t need to agree with it.

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Real life example from my real life? Last financial year, despite the place where I work exceeding target? No pay rise. This year? Doing that again to a record degree despite a lower employee headcount? 2% payrises.

Given U.K. inflation is well….at least 10%? That’s two real terms pay cuts for me, despite my best being in excess of merely adequate.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*needle scratch*

Whatever you think of capitalism, company chooses to pass on rising production costs, is not a shocker. It’s not crime. It’s just…the cost of doing business.

We don’t need to endorse it. We don’t need to agree with it.

But at the end of the day, we do need to accept it, however bitter the taste.

Real life example from my real life? Last financial year, despite the place where I work exceeding target? No pay rise. This year? Doing that again to a record degree despite a lower employee headcount? 2% payrises.

Given U.K. inflation is well….at least 10%? That’s two real terms pay cuts for me, despite my best being in excess of merely adequate.

Get. Angry. At. The. Right. Thing.


Read. What. They're. Actually. Doing.

They're raising prices at independent stores, but not at their own stores.

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There’s no legal obligation to sell at RRP. Most FLGS don’t anyway. They can adapt their prices and still be cheaper than GW, albeit potentially at lower margin depending on how they price.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*needle scratch*

Whatever you think of capitalism, company chooses to pass on rising production costs, is not a shocker. It’s not crime. It’s just…the cost of doing business.

We don’t need to endorse it. We don’t need to agree with it.

But at the end of the day, we do need to accept it, however bitter the taste.

Real life example from my real life? Last financial year, despite the place where I work exceeding target? No pay rise. This year? Doing that again to a record degree despite a lower employee headcount? 2% payrises.

Given U.K. inflation is well….at least 10%? That’s two real terms pay cuts for me, despite my best being in excess of merely adequate.

Get. Angry. At. The. Right. Thing.

Raising the prices of their stuff... but only to the retailers, not to the RRP, is not a great look. And it's something that goes counter with the usual practices of... everyone, really.

Not raising the RRP is the interesting part, here. It basically mean the retailes can't really put the prices at a level where they'd get their usual cut, so they basically will earn less for each sell (and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence). While GW will be doing the same... but being manufacturers, they will be on an entirely different situation.

But they are big, so Vader away, I guess, and pray they don't alter the deal further.

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On principle I refuse to watch Discourse videos for similar reasons I do not watch Tucker Carlson.

They're raising prices at independent stores, but not at their own stores.


Probably because they are unhappy Independent Retailers are giving discounts(or whatever is happening in the UK is biting them in the ass). In the end what matters is the wallet. If people buy less then GW will get less. We'll see in the future if they reverse the decision or not based on that.

and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence


I am curious if this law applies anywhere else. My FLGS will just raise prices if GW raises price of doing business with them.

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Gathering the Informations.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Read. What. They're. Actually. Doing.

They're raising prices at independent stores, but not at their own stores.

They're lowering the trade discount. There's no actual price rise involved--just a shrinking of margins for trades...which may or may not be region specific? Unclear on that part myself from the screenshots shown, as they all have listed a percentage rather than currency.

I would not be shocked if some of it has to do with the way some trades had been overordering bigger boxed sets, then taking to online venting about GW when their version of Stockhammer didn't pan out and they either:
A) Didn't get sent enough.
B) Got sent the amount they wanted, then it just sat on shelves.

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So, you're saying it's the independet retailers's fault that GW has decided to reduce their margins?

That feels a bit sus, TBH.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:


Read. What. They're. Actually. Doing.

They're raising prices at independent stores, but not at their own stores.

They're raising costs to independent stores, not necessarily prices.

Right now most UK 3rd party stores have a range of different choices between 10 and 25% discount to customers, and buy at just under 55% RRP. That will change to ~60% from the end of the year. Individual stores have different options to handle the increase depending on how they currently operate.

Some may reduce the discount to customers, with 25 or 20% off now becoming rare.
Others might decide to remove or increase their threshold for free shipping and keep the discount as-is.
Some stores can alter their loyalty/points schemes in various ways, giving the higher discounts to repeat customers.
Others may just absorb the increase in the hope that offering the best discount increases their overall sales.

It'll be interesting to see how each retailer responds.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*needle scratch*

Whatever you think of capitalism, company chooses to pass on rising production costs, is not a shocker. It’s not crime. It’s just…the cost of doing business.

We don’t need to endorse it. We don’t need to agree with it.

But at the end of the day, we do need to accept it, however bitter the taste.

Real life example from my real life? Last financial year, despite the place where I work exceeding target? No pay rise. This year? Doing that again to a record degree despite a lower employee headcount? 2% payrises.

Given U.K. inflation is well….at least 10%? That’s two real terms pay cuts for me, despite my best being in excess of merely adequate.

Get. Angry. At. The. Right. Thing.


Read. What. They're. Actually. Doing.

They're raising prices at independent stores, but not at their own stores.


They’re raising the Wholesale Price. A price their own stores don’t pay as a direct result of their frankly unique/bizarre model of sole ownership with no franchising.

The alternative is they put all prices, y’know, the ones you and I and everyone ends up paying, up by the same amount.

We’re on the hook for it regardless. Because it’s sucks to be the end consumer. But GW have simply put the ball in the Indie court. Likely reducing overall discount percentiles.

But….and this is for the hardest of understanding. If I buy my stock from GW? That is a set cost to me, and a set profit margin to them. If I then sell it at, for reasons of drama, a mere 0.5% profit margin? GW still got theirs and don’t give much of a feth what I price it at. I could even sell it at a massive loss - GW still got theirs.

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and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence


pretty sure it is not. A seller can sell at whatever price they want. It is a 'recommended' price not a maximum enforceable price.

There's some rules around products with prices printed on them, although I think that only applies so log as you don't cover them up with the new price (so you are not misleading a consumer).
   
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puree wrote:
and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence


pretty sure it is not. A seller can sell at whatever price they want. It is a 'recommended' price not a maximum enforceable price.

There's some rules around products with prices printed on them, although I think that only applies so log as you don't cover them up with the new price (so you are not misleading a consumer).


Tony Quigley, Head of Trading Standards at Birmingham City Council, said: “Trading Standards is receiving a high volume of calls about businesses charging inflated prices and ‘dual pricing’. Whilst traders can charge what they want for items that are not price marked except by themselves, it is a criminal offence to charge a higher price for products that are clearly marked with a visible lower price


RRP would be that "visibly lower price", and retailers certainly don't price that themselves.

But I don't really know, maybe you're right and it's printed prices. A while back the blisters and boxes had a price bracket code, but even that would not be a "marked price" I guess?

That said, I don't exactly see retailers asking for prices over GW's RRP either way. So they'll suck up the cost or reduce their discounts, if they have. Good for GW either way, I'm sure.

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puree wrote:
and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence


pretty sure it is not. A seller can sell at whatever price they want. It is a 'recommended' price not a maximum enforceable price.

There's some rules around products with prices printed on them, although I think that only applies so log as you don't cover them up with the new price (so you are not misleading a consumer).


It is and it isn’t. Kind of. Ish. It depends.

If you as shop owner wish to sell a can of Coca Cola for £20? There’s nothing beyond Market Forces preventing that.

But. If the same can of Coca Cola has a printed on the can promotional price of, say…39p? You selling it for higher is illegal.


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Still isn't criminal though.

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 Albertorius wrote:


(and, in the UK, selling over RRP is actually a criminal offence).


This is not true – RRP is recommended resale price and retailers can sell at, above or below that price. In fact, a manufacturer attempting to enforce RRP amongst retailers they supply may be guilty of resale price maintenance, which is the part of the whole arrangement that would be prohibited. RRP is effectively a compromise – it tells everyone what the manufacturer thinks the product should cost; retailers then price it according to supply, demand, the price they can get from the manufacturer, their own overheads, and so on.

EDIT: Sorry, hadn't refreshed the thread in a little while – got distracted while reading earlier posts – and I see others beat me to it.

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