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Well boys, as per the list of which books are valid when, the Inquisiton book is now out-of-date. The Inqusition list as it stands now was printed in Warzone Octarius 1, which is now out of date, meaning that outside of Solomon Lok and Hector rex (which are also broken because of this due to missing keywords and a psychic discipline) Inqusition does not exist.

So, ideas of what they're going to do next? Just reprint the rules again? Give them an Overhaul? or just squat inquisition for good. The latter would be an odd choice, all things considered, but anythings on the table at this point.

Given what GW has brought forth in the past few years?

Who knows anymore.

Plastic Aspects! Squats! Specialist Games! More than desultory Xenos releases!

They have released three plastic Inquisitors over the last few years, including an Anniversary model last year. I doubt they are being axed.

I don't think GW has a great idea of what to do with them though, which is bizarre when there are a multitude of amazing Inq28 threads out there for inspiration.

The assassins rules expire in June, there's a slew of imperial hangers on out in rogue traders, arms men, arbites coming up etc. It would be easy to see a imperial agents book sometime soon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Given what GW has brought forth in the past few years?

Who knows anymore.

Plastic Aspects! Squats! Specialist Games! More than desultory Xenos releases!

My dream would allow us to take any of the three Orders Militant as our troops/elites options and mix everyone else into the army.

My only realistic hope is that they give us Scions as troops and call it a day.

I'm not very hopeful however, as I've not even heard a whisper of an Inqusition revival.

 Haighus wrote:
They have released three plastic Inquisitors over the last few years, including an Anniversary model last year. I doubt they are being axed.

I don't think GW has a great idea of what to do with them though, which is bizarre when there are a multitude of amazing Inq28 threads out there for inspiration.

Indeed. I think they suffer from the fact that, as a faction, they only really have had Stormtroopers as any sort of dedicated unit you could make an army out of, along with GK and Sisters, both of which got spun off into their armies. When they divorced sisters and GK away, and then replaced Stormtroopers with Scions which are a decidedly Guard thing, the Inqusition was left as basically the 40k Equivalent of a Rump state.

Dudeface wrote:
The assassins rules expire in June, there's a slew of imperial hangers on out in rogue traders, arms men, arbites coming up etc. It would be easy to see a imperial agents book sometime soon.

That's the best I can hope for honestly. Maybe even make it a half-army at the very least.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
They have released three plastic Inquisitors over the last few years, including an Anniversary model last year. I doubt they are being axed.

I don't think GW has a great idea of what to do with them though, which is bizarre when there are a multitude of amazing Inq28 threads out there for inspiration.

Indeed. I think they suffer from the fact that, as a faction, they only really have had Stormtroopers as any sort of dedicated unit you could make an army out of, along with GK and Sisters, both of which got spun off into their armies. When they divorced sisters and GK away, and then replaced Stormtroopers with Scions which are a decidedly Guard thing, the Inqusition was left as basically the 40k Equivalent of a Rump state.

Yeah, which is weird when they have also added allies rules that make it easier than ever to stick extras into an army in the time Inquisition has languished. They also released Deathwatch properly to round out the Chambers Militant.

A new, proper Inquisitorial Stormtrooper kit would be really cool. An upgrade sprue for Scions could be ok too.

Henchmen need a kit with lots of weird little options.

Arbites are out soon. Once they are I wouldn't be surprised to see updated rules for imperial agents in an upcoming white dwarf

I seem to remember they feature in the new Boarding actions mustering armies rules; there must be a release coming up, or rules in the first narrative book. Actually good shout on it being in WD xttz.

I’d rather see Inquisition as a special detachment for other armies.

Let the Inquisitor have their odds and ends troops, but not enough to be a full army in itself.

Hell, make it a single HQ slot with a “points of your army” percentage cap. Arguments sake, 25%. From that you pay for your Inquisitor and whatever odd bods you want from their Codex, taking up a single HQ slot, and not preventing you gaining your usual perks for being Cadian, Blood Angels etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’d rather see Inquisition as a special detachment for other armies.

Let the Inquisitor have their odds and ends troops, but not enough to be a full army in itself.

Hell, make it a single HQ slot with a “points of your army” percentage cap. Arguments sake, 25%. From that you pay for your Inquisitor and whatever odd bods you want from their Codex, taking up a single HQ slot, and not preventing you gaining your usual perks for being Cadian, Blood Angels etc.

I mean, that's functionally what the Imperial Agent slot was, they just never bothered to make Inqusitors worth it unless you needed some Psychic powers. The thing that always bugs me is that the Inquisition used to be a proper army and instead has been left to rot. I want them to be an army again, even if it's like Daemons and it can only be 25% of a Imperial force.

When GW publishes something that says a book is out of date, they do it so that people don't whine about "needing" a book that is out of print.

I'm unaware of any book which was published during 9th that no longer works with 9th. In fact, I still use 8th ed stuff (particularly BSF) that was once deemed to be compatible with 9th; doing so doesn't cause any problems of incompatibility.

That being said: there are now enough Imperial Agent unit (Voidsmen, Navy, Arbites coming soon) that an Imperial Agents book is not beyond the realm of possibility. Nothing of the kind has been rumoured, so it's a very, very long shot. But if they keep the KT Agent units into 10th, we might see it there.

A WD Agents Dex, or including an updated Agents Dex in one of the three AoO Campaign books is also possible for 9th, and I'd prefer that to nothing, because there's a chance to get Crusade rules for Agents that aren't Rogue Traders.

Mission accomplished then, it would seem.

From everything I know, the current powers that be in the 40k design studio are of the opinion that the Inquisition should not really be part of the battlefields of the 41st Millennium.

This is similar to how the previous head of their IP was adamantly against Genestealer Cults being part of 40k, and as soon as he went, guess what showed up again?

I don't think they'll stay gone, but I also think the glory days of Daemonhunters/Witch Hunters are long behind us.

To bring back the Hunter era glory days, they could make a "Chamber Militant" rule that allowed an Inquisitor who joins a detachment of their Chamber to bring any number of other Imperial Agents into the detachment, provided they occupy appropriate FOC slots. Chamber forces would keep their purity rules in such a detachment, and would also benefit from the Quarry rule of their Inquisitor. It wouldn't give us back ALL of our cool hench... But if you included BSF characters then it starts to look better. Knosso Prond should become a generic DCA Executioner and Gotfret de Montbard a generic Crusader Exemplar, and both should be Agents- which also allow one of them to join an SoB Battle Conclave.

Unaligned units might factor into rounding out the equation, but that needs BSF reprints too. I could see the radical Kiria Draxus running with a Zoat or Man of Iron... Or Amallyn, though I'm not sure she had Unaligned.

A minor tweak to Authority of the Inquisition that allowed Inquisition units to not only ride Imperial transports but also to add them to Inquisition detachments would also be a HUGE fix for Inquisition.

This is the great tragedy of Inquisition- so much could be improved with so little effort. This is true of Imperial Agents as a whole, but the Chamber Militant fix makes it especially true of the Inquisition.

PenitentJake wrote:
It wouldn't give us back ALL of our cool hench... But if you included BSF characters then it starts to look better. Knosso Prond should become a generic DCA Executioner and Gotfret de Montbard a generic Crusader Exemplar, and both should be Agents- which also allow one of them to join an SoB Battle Conclave.

Unfortunately such a thing would run headlong into "No Model/No Rule", so we'd have "A Henchmen unit may include 0-1 Death Cult Assassin and 0-1 Crusader and 0-1 Gun Servitor w/Grav-Cannon", because they only make one model of each, and the thought of having more than one is, of course, just ludicrous.

PenitentJake wrote:
This is the great tragedy of Inquisition- so much could be improved with so little effort. This is true of Imperial Agents as a whole, but the Chamber Militant fix makes it especially true of the Inquisition.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

GW has no will for the Inquisition though, so expect a Legends PDF or some WD article at best. Hell, they could shove 'em into one of the Arks of Omen book sans points values (just PL) and keep their "No matched play rules!" pledge technically true.

Yes, they are being squatted! Brought back with a whole new range after a long time being ignored!

I kid. But yeah, there's a lot of 'Agents of the Imperium' stuff that's just in an awkward sort of place right now. Assassins, Inquisitors, Navy Breachers, soon Arbites, and we still don't have plastic models for things like Preachers, Death Cult Assassins, or Crusaders in any kit outside of some specific board game stuff.

We'll see what happens!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
It wouldn't give us back ALL of our cool hench... But if you included BSF characters then it starts to look better. Knosso Prond should become a generic DCA Executioner and Gotfret de Montbard a generic Crusader Exemplar, and both should be Agents- which also allow one of them to join an SoB Battle Conclave.

Unfortunately such a thing would run headlong into "No Model/No Rule", so we'd have "A Henchmen unit may include 0-1 Death Cult Assassin and 0-1 Crusader and 0-1 Gun Servitor w/Grav-Cannon", because they only make one model of each, and the thought of having more than one is, of course, just ludicrous.

PenitentJake wrote:
This is the great tragedy of Inquisition- so much could be improved with so little effort. This is true of Imperial Agents as a whole, but the Chamber Militant fix makes it especially true of the Inquisition.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

GW has no will for the Inquisition though, so expect a Legends PDF or some WD article at best. Hell, they could shove 'em into one of the Arks of Omen book sans points values (just PL) and keep their "No matched play rules!" pledge technically true.

I think this is really hitting the nail on this one, GW would rather not sell Inq stuff now. So they can sell it later with a big flashy release and a bunch of uniqueness to get more sales then.

They do it with other things as well, they are happy to sacrifice the game at present.
People will buy in anyway, and often a unhappy player is left with the choice of playing nothing. Or playing something else in 40k.

I'd love to model an Inquisition detachment; but reckon it should be unique. So for me it's probably going to be homebrew or 'count-as' anyway. Srill be nice to have a base to work from.

Wait, Assassins are squatted in June? That is precious. Considering the big ticket item for signing up on their stupid digital platform was an Assassin, that would be too much Irony. Remember that model that we gave you for over 100USD? You can't legally use it now.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Wait, Assassins are squatted in June? That is precious. Considering the big ticket item for signing up on their stupid digital platform was an Assassin, that would be too much Irony. Remember that model that we gave you for over 100USD? You can't legally use it now.

Can't legally use it at an organised event who follows the GW document*

Also, the model didn't cost $100. Access to the service may have done, but that's not the same as model cost. We also don't know what GW are going to do in June. There may well be a full Agents of the Imperium army list on the way before then.

Slipspace wrote:
Also, the model didn't cost $100. Access to the service may have done, but that's not the same as model cost. We also don't know what GW are going to do in June. There may well be a full Agents of the Imperium army list on the way before then.

Or some sort of yearly compendium or whatever that collects rules for the assorted boardgame, killteam and so on models.

Can they just white dwarf it?

Slipspace wrote:
Also, the model didn't cost $100. Access to the service may have done, but that's not the same as model cost.

It is to the customer. Spend $x, get Y.
The question is PoV. Did you buy that streaming sub/app & get a bonus model? Did you buy that model & get a bonus year of streaming content/app? Do you view it as a 50/50 split?
Doesn't matter, in the end you still spent $x.

ccs wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
Also, the model didn't cost $100. Access to the service may have done, but that's not the same as model cost.

It is to the customer. Spend $x, get Y.
The question is PoV. Did you buy that streaming sub/app & get a bonus model? Did you buy that model & get a bonus year of streaming content/app? Do you view it as a 50/50 split?
Doesn't matter, in the end you still spent $x.

But got more then just the model for they money spent. If all they wanted out of the subscription was the mini then yes, they paid the full price for it. But a W+ subscription is a lot more then just the mini.

Like any GW bundle deal, you need to take a look at the whole package, figure out what you care about in it vs. the price, and evaluate the relevant personal discount.

But to say that in the end spend x for y is misleading. You are spending x to get (a + b + c). You can’t just ignore the rest of the package deal.

I still want to convert two Inquisitors with souped up power swords- Inquisitor Occam and Inquisitor Hanlon- the swords would be their respective "Razors."

PenitentJake wrote:
I still want to convert two Inquisitors with souped up power swords- Inquisitor Occam and Inquisitor Hanlon- the swords would be their respective "Razors."

They need a henchman with a teapot.

Just attach roll them into the DW, the Sisters, or the GK, depending on Ordo. Xenos, Hereticus, Diabolis. Done.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Just attach roll them into the DW, the Sisters, or the GK, depending on Ordo. Xenos, Hereticus, Diabolis. Done.

Thiscould work, but it isn't the optimal solution. A good Agents book is a far better idea, because you'd end up duplicating entries- Navy Breachers, Rogue Traders and even Arbites have the capacity to work for all three Ordos, so they'd get datacards in all three dexes?

Not only that, while the Inquisition rarely takes to the field en masse, it is still nice to have the option of pure Inquisition Detachments. It's possible to write the rules in such a way that this is possible even if they did move them into their chamber dexes, but it is certainly less likely.

Finally, the quality of Crusade content for Agents would be far higher in a standalone Agent dex; in a chamber book, the Agents might not get any bespoke Crusade content, when really, theirs should be the most developed content of all. Alternate game sizes are important to keep in mind for the Inquisition- and for me, that goes hand in hand with game size/ escalation.

Which brings me to another piece of the "Fixing Inquisition" puzzle: Kill Team.

Releasing a KT box for each Ordo is almost too much to aske for, but even a single box could do the trick if it contained enough options. The specialist gear in KT usually makes its way to 40k through one channel or another.

They could even do a whole WH Quest game based on the Inquisition- Blackstone fortress models really left a mark on 40k, and I feel that Inquisition would do the same.

 PaddyMick wrote:
I seem to remember they feature in the new Boarding actions mustering armies rules; there must be a release coming up, or rules in the first narrative book. Actually good shout on it being in WD xttz.

Yeah, they already revealed Adeptus Arbites are getting new models which will be inquisition. Maybe a new codex too?

I don't think they're dead. GW is just bad at managing all their rules. They probably didn't even realise they have no valid rules now.