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So, is the entire purpose of this knight to act as a walking dirty bomb?

Yes,
Yes,
Yes,
And more Yes!

30k is basically all the bad gak(ever) thrown together into a blender with even worse(esoteric) gak!

Also, they look really cool. Which is rule #1 of 30k minis.

talljosh85 wrote:
Also, they look really cool. Which is rule #1 of 30k minis.

Yes but I built a Questoris House army, which can’t use them, for whatever reason.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

talljosh85 wrote:
Also, they look really cool. Which is rule #1 of 30k minis.

Yes but I built a Questoris House army, which can’t use them, for whatever reason.

Because the Heresy pre-dates the STCs for them being given to Questoris Houses.

 Platuan4th wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

talljosh85 wrote:
Also, they look really cool. Which is rule #1 of 30k minis.

Yes but I built a Questoris House army, which can’t use them, for whatever reason.

Because the Heresy pre-dates the STCs for them being given to Questoris Houses.

That’s the thing though, it mentions in the blurb on the unit page that a few houses did have them

Yeah, that feels like a mistake in that Liber, knight houses should be able to take them. Even the dang FW painted ones are rocking Malinax decals.

talljosh85 wrote:
Yeah, that feels like a mistake in that Liber, knight houses should be able to take them. Even the dang FW painted ones are rocking Malinax decals.

hardly the first such though is it? Thousand Sons have a beautiful Praetor model rocking a force weapon there is no way in game he can carry, a few decals applied and then a bit of bad editing is par for the course

Nurgle would love them, though the rad cleansers would have to be replaced with something that corrupted people rather than just incinerated them.

Honestly I wanted to do a mechanicum army just so I could run them, but then I would have had to buy so many resin forge world models. With Questoris House I got 10 plastic knight kits and 1 pre assembled knight off eBay.

leopard wrote:

talljosh85 wrote:
Yeah, that feels like a mistake in that Liber, knight houses should be able to take them. Even the dang FW painted ones are rocking Malinax decals.

hardly the first such though is it? Thousand Sons have a beautiful Praetor model rocking a force weapon there is no way in game he can carry, a few decals applied and then a bit of bad editing is par for the course

Very true... which seems like a MASSIVE oversight when writing Liber Hereticus. I built my 1k Sons army for 1.0 and yeah... Praetors et al are definitely set up for proper force weapons.

Though I doubt anything will come of it, i did send an email to the GW Horus Heresy email address asking for some clarification on the matter. Again though, doubt anything will happen.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:


Yes but I built a Questoris House army, which can’t use them, for whatever reason.

One of the first things I spotted in that book - decided to ignore it and presume they can be used in the same way as Armigers.

This isn't 40k, a Heresy player won't mind you doing that

MongooseMatt wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:


Yes but I built a Questoris House army, which can’t use them, for whatever reason.

One of the first things I spotted in that book - decided to ignore it and presume they can be used in the same way as Armigers.

This isn't 40k, a Heresy player won't mind you doing that

I would ask if they’re chill with it-don’t just assume.

I'd be 100% on board for it, gotta assume most event organizers would too.

People need to read.

You can take a main detachment mechanicum. One high lord and some thralls or mini bots.

Then you make the Warlord an "archimandrite"(?) ( you know those special upgrades mechanicum gets.)

Voila, you now get access to ally in a divisio tactica despite being mechanicum-mechanicum.

So in essence you requrie an HQ and 20 tech thralls or a bunch of troop bots and then you can ally in all the knights you want and field normal moirax knights.

Double great since you can also pad out normal weaknesses of knights and gain access to other interesting big bots of doom.



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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Honestly I wanted to do a mechanicum army just so I could run them, but then I would have had to buy so many resin forge world models. With Questoris House I got 10 plastic knight kits and 1 pre assembled knight off eBay.

You are talking 30k , you CAN go with FW, but mechanicum wise there is nothing stopping you to go dark mech und using plastic mech stuff , daemonengines and convert to your hearts content.

talljosh85 wrote:
I'd be 100% on board for it, gotta assume most event organizers would too.

That's bad advice. You can't assume people will agree with your house rulings just because HH isn't as competitive a game as 40k. The rules are there as a baseline so everyone has the same understanding of the system.
If the OP wants to use Moirax in a Knight list they're going to need to check with EOs first.

Also with regards to normal Questoris lists not being able to take the Moirax, it's a Mechanicum Knight. House Malinax was aligned with the Magi of Xana which is why the FW store page has them in their colours.

Again. You can ally in a normal questoris detachment with the archimandrite mechanicum specialisation.
It is ltierally legal.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Again. You can ally in a normal questoris detachment with the archimandrite mechanicum specialisation.
It is ltierally legal.

So like a 200-300pt tax just to do so? Not great.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Again. You can ally in a normal questoris detachment with the archimandrite mechanicum specialisation.
It is ltierally legal.

So like a 200-300pt tax just to do so? Not great.

All of 30k is paying a tax to play the models/units you like...so what you're saying is you don't like that??? Why? If I want to run robots in my Salamanders list, add a praevian and ouila, Robots nice n legal(for those that give a feth about that)

Racerguy180 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Again. You can ally in a normal questoris detachment with the archimandrite mechanicum specialisation.
It is ltierally legal.

So like a 200-300pt tax just to do so? Not great.

All of 30k is paying a tax to play the models/units you like...so what you're saying is you don't like that??? Why? If I want to run robots in my Salamanders list, add a praevian and ouila, Robots nice n legal(for those that give a feth about that)

30k is not at all that. What a weird opinion. If I want to run an all-tank list, I can choose Armoured Spearhead. If I want all Dreads, I can run a FotA. If I want all Myrmidons, I can choose a Myrmidax Archmagos. Etc etc etc.

See the trend? Now, if I want to run all Knights - I can't. I have to run Armigers. That is already a hindrance. Worse, if I want Moirax which are historically part of the Knight houses, I have to now add in 250-300pt of Admech, in a list already struggling to be as thematic as it once was.

Ultimately, Knights are paying the price for their sins in HH 1.0 and it shows.

I actually notice earlier today that the HH has a bunch of community codexes that tried to address the issues that GW left in. They did change it so they could be taken as a troop option in it.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Again. You can ally in a normal questoris detachment with the archimandrite mechanicum specialisation.
It is ltierally legal.

So like a 200-300pt tax just to do so? Not great.

All of 30k is paying a tax to play the models/units you like...so what you're saying is you don't like that??? Why? If I want to run robots in my Salamanders list, add a praevian and ouila, Robots nice n legal(for those that give a feth about that)

30k is not at all that. What a weird opinion. If I want to run an all-tank list, I can choose Armoured Spearhead. If I want all Dreads, I can run a FotA. If I want all Myrmidons, I can choose a Myrmidax Archmagos. Etc etc etc.

See the trend? Now, if I want to run all Knights - I can't. I have to run Armigers. That is already a hindrance. Worse, if I want Moirax which are historically part of the Knight houses, I have to now add in 250-300pt of Admech, in a list already struggling to be as thematic as it once was.

Ultimately, Knights are paying the price for their sins in HH 1.0 and it shows.

Actually it's 245 pts tax. on a 3000 pts list. Which ammounts to 8 1/6 % tax if you want moirax knights with your normal knights. Should moirax knights just be available for household list? Yes, probably. Is it still possible to field an army containing both, also yes.

Honestly i think it's probably for the better to have access to a mixed army, considering how knights tend to always skew the game harder than many other lists.
As for FotA and Spearhead, you can't ignore infantry there either, since you require line.

 Gert wrote:
House Malinax was aligned with the Magi of Xana which is why the FW store page has them in their colours.

Now this is a good point - I run Malinax, so I just brushed over other implications.

Might be reversing my position